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> Zoom may be great for quality, it's terrible for human rights Sorry, as someone who is completely out of the loop, can you explain what you mean?

falcolas 6y ago
There's a number of reports available under the keywords "zoom china meeting", but it boils down to: 1) Zoom has been reported to send video call encryption keys to China. 2) Zoom has sent participant lists of particular video calls to China authorities. 3) Zoom now segregates Chinese from the rest of the world, so that the keys and participant lists can be disclosed to Chinese censors, without impacting the rest of the world.
- randomchars 6y ago
  That's horrible, I agree, but... I don't think there's any company that doesn't do these. (at least if they want to operate in China) edit: and not just China. What makes you thing Google wouldn't do this in the US?
  - vorpalhex 6y ago
    Your bottom line doesn't rise above basic human rights. If your profit forecast requires you to make concessions on rights to a political party that is currently putting an ethnic and religious minority in detention camps, then your profit forecast is wrong. There is no reason sufficient to justify such behavior. edit: As to Google in the US, there is no legal framework requiring them to obey any administration and in fact significant protection if they would like to make fun of or openly attack it. There is no comparison here that isn't in utter bad faith.
  - falcolas 6y ago
    Whataboutism. A company behaving poorly doesn't excuse another company from behaving poorly. Horrible - to use your word - is horrible, no matter how many people are doing it.
  - Jon_Lowtek 6y ago
    The sad fact that more and more large corporations are willingly helping regimes with surveillance and repression is only overshadowed by the fact that even people who claim to care still use, support or outright defend these companies.
vorpalhex 6y ago
> Zoom, the videoconferencing technology provider, has acknowledged it shut down the account of a group of prominent Chinese activists based in the U.S. after they held an event on the platform honoring the anniversary of the 1989 Tiananmen Square massacre. (emphasis added) https://www.latimes.com/business/technology/story/2020-06-10/zoom-activist-tiananmen-china https://www.latimes.com/business/technology/story/2020-06-10...

falcolas 6y ago

There's a number of reports available under the keywords "zoom china meeting", but it boils down to: 1) Zoom has been reported to send video call encryption keys to China. 2) Zoom has sent participant lists of particular video calls to China authorities. 3) Zoom now segregates Chinese from the rest of the world, so that the keys and participant lists can be disclosed to Chinese censors, without impacting the rest of the world.

randomchars 6y ago
That's horrible, I agree, but... I don't think there's any company that doesn't do these. (at least if they want to operate in China) edit: and not just China. What makes you thing Google wouldn't do this in the US?
- vorpalhex 6y ago
  Your bottom line doesn't rise above basic human rights. If your profit forecast requires you to make concessions on rights to a political party that is currently putting an ethnic and religious minority in detention camps, then your profit forecast is wrong. There is no reason sufficient to justify such behavior. edit: As to Google in the US, there is no legal framework requiring them to obey any administration and in fact significant protection if they would like to make fun of or openly attack it. There is no comparison here that isn't in utter bad faith.
- falcolas 6y ago
  Whataboutism. A company behaving poorly doesn't excuse another company from behaving poorly. Horrible - to use your word - is horrible, no matter how many people are doing it.
- Jon_Lowtek 6y ago
  The sad fact that more and more large corporations are willingly helping regimes with surveillance and repression is only overshadowed by the fact that even people who claim to care still use, support or outright defend these companies.

vorpalhex 6y ago

> Zoom, the videoconferencing technology provider, has acknowledged it shut down the account of a group of prominent Chinese activists based in the U.S. after they held an event on the platform honoring the anniversary of the 1989 Tiananmen Square massacre. (emphasis added) https://www.latimes.com/business/technology/story/2020-06-10/zoom-activist-tiananmen-china https://www.latimes.com/business/technology/story/2020-06-10...