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Wow, so I'm not sure if it's because it's aimed at an audience slightly different than me, so the triggers fall flat, or if it's just really clumsily done, but

Wow, so I'm not sure if it's because it's aimed at an audience slightly different than me, so the triggers fall flat, or if it's just really clumsily done, but I've honestly never seen something that is so obviously a hit piece and reaching for anything it can find. E.g. Amnesty is bad because their higher ups are mean people. Amnesty is bad because they said stuff in twitter that we want to interpret as attacking cows. Amnesty is bad because they work with a Muslim in guantanamo bay about prisoner rights that says stuff about middle east fighters. Edit: To clarify, I'm not taking a stance on whether AI is in the right or wrong, or the Indian government is right or wrong, since I don't really know, but this piece is obviously designed to make AI look bad through techniques that aren't useful, such as guilt through association (because it's much easier to color the associate when people are less familiar with them), providing little context but plenty of assumptions about intent for short bits of speech, etc.

nilsocket 6y ago
Yes sir, what else do you need, you don't seem to accept when it's employees are corrupt, when it's administrators hold radical views. All these things doesn't matter why? Because they are angels fallen from heaven. https://twitter.com/ARanganathan72/status/1170009663385026560?s=20 https://twitter.com/ARanganathan72/status/117000966338502656... https://twitter.com/ARanganathan72/status/1310969459054538754?s=20 https://twitter.com/ARanganathan72/status/131096945905453875...
- kbenson 6y ago
  Portraying those that disagree with your methods as enemies and part of the opposition is a common way to discredit them and discount their objections. Being common doesn't mean it's excusable. That you accept any tactic against an organization you disagree with, and discount any criticism of those tactics and color the people doing so as unable to look at the situation rationally only exposes you yourself to the same criticism. I am not Indian. I do not know a lot of the details about Amnesty International and India. I can also easily spot many instances in the linked article where they are using techniques often used to present half-truths and sway opinion through purposeful misinterpretation and misrepresentation. I don't need to know more about the overall situation because I am not commenting on the overall situation, I'm noting what I see as blatant attempts to sway opinion not through fact and rational discourse, but propaganda. That's worth calling out whenever encountered, regardless of whether you agree with the goals of the people in question or not.
  - nilsocket 6y ago
    People (Communists/Marxists/Leftist) in India, call and compare Modi to Hitler. They call Modi fascist, murderer, theif, Untouchable ... You name it they have used that word for Modi. They ask proof from Army, they believe what other country says, but never an Indian. All of them rome freely in country, they keep on doing this forever. Actors like Deepika are paid to visit a JNU for sympathy. The same people defend terrorists, create riots, ... Tell me one country in the world, Where invaders are praised and native people shamed. Welcome to India, It happens in India. Not just in Media outlets, it happens in our textbooks, invaders are praised and native people are shamed. Nothing changed now, you can just pull any History text-book from CBSE, and check it for yourself. For proper details, Please look at this interview (It is valuable for each and everybody) from 1970's, by Yuri,: [Deception was my Job](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrS1qDcgdTk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrS1qDcgdTk) In short, Islamist have taken over Indian education till 1970's, later only to be taken over by Marxists. Many Indian's don't even know their real history. A nation which is the richest for from 0-1700 years, is shamed as ill-logical, ... and what not. When Europeans have stolen so much of knowledge from India. In-case of Mathematics: https://twitter.com/JoeAgneya/status/1310878923241058304?s=20 https://twitter.com/JoeAgneya/status/1310878923241058304?s=2... https://twitter.com/JoeAgneya/status/1309135849154637826?s=20 https://twitter.com/JoeAgneya/status/1309135849154637826?s=2... I have just provided mathematics, but the same can be applied for many other fields of knowledge. Currently some American scientists are plagiarizing Indian philosophical texts and consciousness studies/mind sciences. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyfHqCWp4Pc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyfHqCWp4Pc We are not saying don't take the knowledge, but at-least have basic courtesy of quoting primary sources. India also have a book on logic(Nyaya Shastra), which would astonish any intellectual. Anyhow, I have deviated from topic: My point is they shame India, Modi without any reality on ground. They are just doing what they are taught to, exaggerate fault-lines and create divisions between societies: Once again you can watch Yuri, for clearer understanding. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9TviIuXPSE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9TviIuXPSE Edit: Added some points.

nilsocket 6y ago

Yes sir, what else do you need, you don't seem to accept when it's employees are corrupt, when it's administrators hold radical views. All these things doesn't matter why? Because they are angels fallen from heaven. https://twitter.com/ARanganathan72/status/1170009663385026560?s=20 https://twitter.com/ARanganathan72/status/117000966338502656... https://twitter.com/ARanganathan72/status/1310969459054538754?s=20 https://twitter.com/ARanganathan72/status/131096945905453875...

kbenson 6y ago
Portraying those that disagree with your methods as enemies and part of the opposition is a common way to discredit them and discount their objections. Being common doesn't mean it's excusable. That you accept any tactic against an organization you disagree with, and discount any criticism of those tactics and color the people doing so as unable to look at the situation rationally only exposes you yourself to the same criticism. I am not Indian. I do not know a lot of the details about Amnesty International and India. I can also easily spot many instances in the linked article where they are using techniques often used to present half-truths and sway opinion through purposeful misinterpretation and misrepresentation. I don't need to know more about the overall situation because I am not commenting on the overall situation, I'm noting what I see as blatant attempts to sway opinion not through fact and rational discourse, but propaganda. That's worth calling out whenever encountered, regardless of whether you agree with the goals of the people in question or not.
- nilsocket 6y ago
  People (Communists/Marxists/Leftist) in India, call and compare Modi to Hitler. They call Modi fascist, murderer, theif, Untouchable ... You name it they have used that word for Modi. They ask proof from Army, they believe what other country says, but never an Indian. All of them rome freely in country, they keep on doing this forever. Actors like Deepika are paid to visit a JNU for sympathy. The same people defend terrorists, create riots, ... Tell me one country in the world, Where invaders are praised and native people shamed. Welcome to India, It happens in India. Not just in Media outlets, it happens in our textbooks, invaders are praised and native people are shamed. Nothing changed now, you can just pull any History text-book from CBSE, and check it for yourself. For proper details, Please look at this interview (It is valuable for each and everybody) from 1970's, by Yuri,: [Deception was my Job](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrS1qDcgdTk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrS1qDcgdTk) In short, Islamist have taken over Indian education till 1970's, later only to be taken over by Marxists. Many Indian's don't even know their real history. A nation which is the richest for from 0-1700 years, is shamed as ill-logical, ... and what not. When Europeans have stolen so much of knowledge from India. In-case of Mathematics: https://twitter.com/JoeAgneya/status/1310878923241058304?s=20 https://twitter.com/JoeAgneya/status/1310878923241058304?s=2... https://twitter.com/JoeAgneya/status/1309135849154637826?s=20 https://twitter.com/JoeAgneya/status/1309135849154637826?s=2... I have just provided mathematics, but the same can be applied for many other fields of knowledge. Currently some American scientists are plagiarizing Indian philosophical texts and consciousness studies/mind sciences. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyfHqCWp4Pc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyfHqCWp4Pc We are not saying don't take the knowledge, but at-least have basic courtesy of quoting primary sources. India also have a book on logic(Nyaya Shastra), which would astonish any intellectual. Anyhow, I have deviated from topic: My point is they shame India, Modi without any reality on ground. They are just doing what they are taught to, exaggerate fault-lines and create divisions between societies: Once again you can watch Yuri, for clearer understanding. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9TviIuXPSE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9TviIuXPSE Edit: Added some points.