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I refuse to own toilets with this misfeature for a number of reasons: - Complexity is bad, especially in plumbing. I also refuse electronics between me and was

I refuse to own toilets with this misfeature for a number of reasons: - Complexity is bad, especially in plumbing. I also refuse electronics between me and waste removal. - It's confusing. - I don't think the difference in water usage matters _at all_. Talk to me about irrigation (both urban and agricultural) instead. When going out and using such horrible devices I'm quite certain I pick wrong more than half the time.

KineticLensman 6y ago
> I don't think the difference in water usage matters _at all_. Talk to me about irrigation (both urban and agricultural) instead Yes. And the insane amounts of water leaked from our ancient pipes
spfzero 6y ago
In California, 89% of the state's water usage is agricultural; only 11% is consumers. Thus, of course you would force consumers to use only low-flow shower heads, and... problem solved.
- Polylactic_acid 6y ago
  Low flow ends on things like hand washing sinks are almost a free win. The aerated water washes your hands just as well. Even if its not the biggest improvement, a free improvement is still welcome.
  - spfzero 6y ago
    But it washes your hands just as well because you turn the faucet up to the point that you can wash your hands just as well. You use the same amount of water, only the position of the faucet and the amount of time changes. There is no magic.
  - alliao 6y ago
    i remember a study about how aeration introduced more room for bacteria growth; and subsequently a hospital had to revamp again to remove all the water saving faucets... https://www.infectioncontroltoday.com/view/hospital-water-taps-contaminated-bacteria https://www.infectioncontroltoday.com/view/hospital-water-ta...
  - zbrozek 6y ago
    I've never had a complaint about those in bathrooms, but I hate them at laundry and kitchen sinks where I almost always actually want some quantity of water and these just make getting it slow. And my usage in such circumstances is a couple tens of gallons per month, whereas my neighbor waters a hobby vineyard and consumes 40x the water that my household (which also irrigates for landscaping) does.
jgowdy 6y ago
How dare you not accept responsibility for changing your lifestyle for the environment despite the facts of who is actually doing most of the damage?!?! This doesn’t fit the narrative of personal responsibility and allow for the virtue signaling of personal environmentalism.
zbrozek 6y ago
Wow, I'm astounded this comment got a negative score without a follow-up from those doing the downvoting.

KineticLensman 6y ago

> I don't think the difference in water usage matters _at all_. Talk to me about irrigation (both urban and agricultural) instead Yes. And the insane amounts of water leaked from our ancient pipes

spfzero 6y ago

In California, 89% of the state's water usage is agricultural; only 11% is consumers. Thus, of course you would force consumers to use only low-flow shower heads, and... problem solved.

Polylactic_acid 6y ago
Low flow ends on things like hand washing sinks are almost a free win. The aerated water washes your hands just as well. Even if its not the biggest improvement, a free improvement is still welcome.
- spfzero 6y ago
  But it washes your hands just as well because you turn the faucet up to the point that you can wash your hands just as well. You use the same amount of water, only the position of the faucet and the amount of time changes. There is no magic.
- alliao 6y ago
  i remember a study about how aeration introduced more room for bacteria growth; and subsequently a hospital had to revamp again to remove all the water saving faucets... https://www.infectioncontroltoday.com/view/hospital-water-taps-contaminated-bacteria https://www.infectioncontroltoday.com/view/hospital-water-ta...
- zbrozek 6y ago
  I've never had a complaint about those in bathrooms, but I hate them at laundry and kitchen sinks where I almost always actually want some quantity of water and these just make getting it slow. And my usage in such circumstances is a couple tens of gallons per month, whereas my neighbor waters a hobby vineyard and consumes 40x the water that my household (which also irrigates for landscaping) does.

jgowdy 6y ago

How dare you not accept responsibility for changing your lifestyle for the environment despite the facts of who is actually doing most of the damage?!?! This doesn’t fit the narrative of personal responsibility and allow for the virtue signaling of personal environmentalism.

zbrozek 6y ago

Wow, I'm astounded this comment got a negative score without a follow-up from those doing the downvoting.