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>In China each adult citizen is getting a government mandated "social credit score". This represents how well behaved they are, and is based on crime records, w

>In China each adult citizen is getting a government mandated "social credit score". This represents how well behaved they are, and is based on crime records, what they say on social media, what they buy, and even the scores of their friends. This really isn't all that different than what is happening elsewhere across the world today. Your Uber rider score represents your "social credit" for that service. Your Airbnb guest reviews impact if you will be allowed to rent a room. Each platform is putting social credit in place via crowd-sourced "trust" EDIT: I don't mean to minimize China's human rights violations, but to posture that independently of central control many companies are implementing their own versions of these systems, which can have _some_ of the same effects in terms of losing access to services. Obviously one's Uber scores won't put you in jail / detainment camp and I was not intended to imply such.

closeparen 6y ago
They’re based on your behavior using that service, though, not your generalized loyalty to the state.
tokai 6y ago
>elsewhere across the world In the US you mean.
- buzzerbetrayed 6y ago
  I'm not sure how you gathered that this is what they meant. Do people not review services outside of the US? (hint: they do)
shortstuffsushi 6y ago
This is also not new, this reminds me of the early days of eBay with user ratings impacting your ability to buy / sell goods (especially as a new account).
harterrt 6y ago
This is drastically different than having a government mandated program. Airbnb and Uber are both are both opt-in and it's not all that difficult to get a fresh profile on these services.
- thotsBgone 6y ago
  Though to be fair, the part of America which most resembles the Chinese government isn't the American government, but American corporations.
istorical 6y ago
It's extremely different. It's so so so so different. The Chinese surveillance state is incredibly more massive and pervasive, the list of infractions includes incredibly more minor actions (and include political speech that is in anyway dissident), the consequences of a low score are so much more dire (unable to fly, travel, live in certain places, etc).
- shadowgovt 6y ago
  It's a difference of degree and monopoly on violence. ... and even degree of monopoly on violence. Uber can do quite a bit of damage to a person by choosing to refuse service if someone needs to urgently be somewhere (or away from somewhere). Airbnb is controlling access to safe shelter. If Amazon grocery stores took off, having a bad Amazon account could deny a person access to food. I don't think it would take more than a handful of gig-economy service corporations unifying under one umbrella of data-sharing for the average American to start experiencing something a bit similar to the Chinese experience of social score. For now, there's no incentive for them to do so.
  - hombre_fatal 6y ago
    Well, that's the price of abuse. If you have an Uber or Airbnb score low enough to get banned from the platform, you're the problem and you'd have a very hard time arguing otherwise once you start revealing the reviews people have left you. You're probably vomiting in Uber cars every weekend when you get blackout drunk and destroying property on Airbnb. Maybe other people should know these things about you before they accidentally do business with you. Of course, once I think of actual implementation of such a thing, I only encounter showstoppers and ay, there's the rub. But the goal doesn't seem categorically wrong. Though I also admit the inability to have a practical implementation that works is a good reason to condemn anything. I'm just radicalized by horrible ex-tenants and like to smile as I ponder the utopia where trashing my place echoes in their lives forever.
    - shadowgovt 6y ago
      I don't disagree with anything you've said, but what happens when you apply that reasoning to a whole country? "Well, if you stopped being a shitty citizen, you could get the good train tickets." In the average case, Chinese citizens with low social scores actually are antisocial assholes, not dissidents trying to overthrow a corrupt government. So is Chinese social scoring not actually a bad idea? It's like... If anyone's been to Disney World, they're familiar with what an all-encompassing experience that is. Now imagine Disney World ran 75% of Florida. And could bar you from the premises for violating its rules...

closeparen 6y ago

They’re based on your behavior using that service, though, not your generalized loyalty to the state.

tokai 6y ago

>elsewhere across the world In the US you mean.

buzzerbetrayed 6y ago
I'm not sure how you gathered that this is what they meant. Do people not review services outside of the US? (hint: they do)

shortstuffsushi 6y ago

This is also not new, this reminds me of the early days of eBay with user ratings impacting your ability to buy / sell goods (especially as a new account).

harterrt 6y ago

This is drastically different than having a government mandated program. Airbnb and Uber are both are both opt-in and it's not all that difficult to get a fresh profile on these services.

thotsBgone 6y ago
Though to be fair, the part of America which most resembles the Chinese government isn't the American government, but American corporations.

istorical 6y ago

It's extremely different. It's so so so so different. The Chinese surveillance state is incredibly more massive and pervasive, the list of infractions includes incredibly more minor actions (and include political speech that is in anyway dissident), the consequences of a low score are so much more dire (unable to fly, travel, live in certain places, etc).

shadowgovt 6y ago
It's a difference of degree and monopoly on violence. ... and even degree of monopoly on violence. Uber can do quite a bit of damage to a person by choosing to refuse service if someone needs to urgently be somewhere (or away from somewhere). Airbnb is controlling access to safe shelter. If Amazon grocery stores took off, having a bad Amazon account could deny a person access to food. I don't think it would take more than a handful of gig-economy service corporations unifying under one umbrella of data-sharing for the average American to start experiencing something a bit similar to the Chinese experience of social score. For now, there's no incentive for them to do so.
- hombre_fatal 6y ago
  Well, that's the price of abuse. If you have an Uber or Airbnb score low enough to get banned from the platform, you're the problem and you'd have a very hard time arguing otherwise once you start revealing the reviews people have left you. You're probably vomiting in Uber cars every weekend when you get blackout drunk and destroying property on Airbnb. Maybe other people should know these things about you before they accidentally do business with you. Of course, once I think of actual implementation of such a thing, I only encounter showstoppers and ay, there's the rub. But the goal doesn't seem categorically wrong. Though I also admit the inability to have a practical implementation that works is a good reason to condemn anything. I'm just radicalized by horrible ex-tenants and like to smile as I ponder the utopia where trashing my place echoes in their lives forever.
  - shadowgovt 6y ago
    I don't disagree with anything you've said, but what happens when you apply that reasoning to a whole country? "Well, if you stopped being a shitty citizen, you could get the good train tickets." In the average case, Chinese citizens with low social scores actually are antisocial assholes, not dissidents trying to overthrow a corrupt government. So is Chinese social scoring not actually a bad idea? It's like... If anyone's been to Disney World, they're familiar with what an all-encompassing experience that is. Now imagine Disney World ran 75% of Florida. And could bar you from the premises for violating its rules...