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What about the refugees from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947_Jammu_massacres https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947_Jammu_massacres ?

by oa335 6y ago

malware7 6y ago
I hope you read atleast one paragraph from that article. Also depending on how far you want to back in history, you would find that kashmir went of 0% muslim to majority muslim.
- oa335 6y ago
  I did read the entire article, which documented a pattern of back and forth communal violence stretching back decades. My point was that it's odd to focus on the one wave of refugees and ignore the others. Reparations for historical wrongs shouldn't be restricted to just one group.
- kbenson 6y ago
  Well, if you go far enough back in history, it went frmo 0% Hindu and random other tribal religions to mostly Hindu, right? That's the problem with "going far enough back in history", depending on how far you go, you can get rid of anything (even people), so you either need to provide bounds on how far you go back and why, justifying it, or you might as well not bring up that argument at all.
  - naruvimama 6y ago
    Islam as with Christianity was a one man, one book affair from the relatively recent time. The older traditions much of which do not exist thanks to the two above religions, were timeless and pluralistic. Hinduism has no known history and is assumed to be evolved through the ages, like food or music - Hinduism is unbounded and untethered. Islam in Pakistan or Kashmir specifically has ethnically cleansed almost all non-muslims, imposes urdu at the cost of local languages and culture, and is now targeting smaller denominations as not being Islamic enough.
    - kbenson 6y ago
      No, Islam is an evolutionary offshoot of Christianity. Christianity is an evolutionary offshoot of Judaism. Judaism in incorporated many aspects of Zoroastrianism. If you're going to make some claim that Hinduism has no discernible stages that can be tracked anthropologically over history that we can look to, that would make it unique among human inventions and beliefs. Such an extraordinary claim needs strong evidence to be accepted.
      - naruvimama 6y ago
        Hinduism is a jungle anything can grow on its own merit. Christianity is a strawberry farm with a farmer for whom anything that is not strawberry is weed. Islam is a corn farm with a corn farmer. Both farmers want to slash and burn the jungle to expand their farm. And just because the charred remains of the jungle add nutrition to the soil does not mean it is being "incorporated". There are very few Zorastrians in Iran, the greatest numbers live in India. Not may Christians left in west asia.

What about the refugees from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947_Jammu_massacres https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947_Jammu_massacres ?

by oa335 6y ago

What about the refugees from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947_Jammu_massacres https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947_Jammu_massacres ?

malware7 6y ago

I hope you read atleast one paragraph from that article. Also depending on how far you want to back in history, you would find that kashmir went of 0% muslim to majority muslim.

oa335 6y ago
I did read the entire article, which documented a pattern of back and forth communal violence stretching back decades. My point was that it's odd to focus on the one wave of refugees and ignore the others. Reparations for historical wrongs shouldn't be restricted to just one group.
kbenson 6y ago
Well, if you go far enough back in history, it went frmo 0% Hindu and random other tribal religions to mostly Hindu, right? That's the problem with "going far enough back in history", depending on how far you go, you can get rid of anything (even people), so you either need to provide bounds on how far you go back and why, justifying it, or you might as well not bring up that argument at all.
- naruvimama 6y ago
  Islam as with Christianity was a one man, one book affair from the relatively recent time. The older traditions much of which do not exist thanks to the two above religions, were timeless and pluralistic. Hinduism has no known history and is assumed to be evolved through the ages, like food or music - Hinduism is unbounded and untethered. Islam in Pakistan or Kashmir specifically has ethnically cleansed almost all non-muslims, imposes urdu at the cost of local languages and culture, and is now targeting smaller denominations as not being Islamic enough.
  - kbenson 6y ago
    No, Islam is an evolutionary offshoot of Christianity. Christianity is an evolutionary offshoot of Judaism. Judaism in incorporated many aspects of Zoroastrianism. If you're going to make some claim that Hinduism has no discernible stages that can be tracked anthropologically over history that we can look to, that would make it unique among human inventions and beliefs. Such an extraordinary claim needs strong evidence to be accepted.
    - naruvimama 6y ago
      Hinduism is a jungle anything can grow on its own merit. Christianity is a strawberry farm with a farmer for whom anything that is not strawberry is weed. Islam is a corn farm with a corn farmer. Both farmers want to slash and burn the jungle to expand their farm. And just because the charred remains of the jungle add nutrition to the soil does not mean it is being "incorporated". There are very few Zorastrians in Iran, the greatest numbers live in India. Not may Christians left in west asia.