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Also surpression in Kashmir seems to have escalated over the past year with removal of local governance and blockade of internet access. It is not a good combi

Also surpression in Kashmir seems to have escalated over the past year with removal of local governance and blockade of internet access. It is not a good combination: Escalating human rights abuses, an economy in freefall, pandemic, border skirmishes with China, nationalism, crackdown on ethnic minorities ...

malware7 6y ago
>> crackdown on ethnic minorities Which minorities?
- throwaway4good 6y ago
  About 10% of India's population is muslim however in Kashmir they are a majority which I think is more or less the root cause of the Kashmir conflict.
  - malware7 6y ago
    I wonder how did muslims became majority in kashmir? Do you know? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exodus_of_Kashmiri_Hindus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exodus_of_Kashmiri_Hindus Now that the these refugees are coming back o their motherland, propagandists are busy labelling it as hindu occupation and minority oppression.
    - arjun1296 6y ago
      Globally, Hindus are a minority. So whether its a liberal or conservative foreigner(Christian or Muslim), to them Muslims are usually a minority. And foreigners are easily susceptible to believe the claims of Muslims being a minority without even checking the realities. Tthey almost always fail to understand that it is Hindus who is the real minority in Jammu and Kashmir. Morevoer, Christians and Muslims are of Abhrahamic origins and their morality is skewed in favor of their version of worship and social norms. Idol-worshippers like Hindus are considered beastly and low-life. So don't expect foreigners to accept what Hindus says as our moralities are going to cut through their doctrinal abhrahamic morality though they are separate religions.
      - Chris2048 6y ago
        > Idol-worshippers like Hindus are considered beastly and low-life. So don't expect foreigners.. How do you "check the realities" on these claims about foreigners?
        arjun1296 6y ago
        Its pretty much evident from woke publications of western media
        Chris2048 6y ago
        Ok. Got any examples of woke western publications expressing the opinion that Hindus/idol-worshippers are "beastly and low-life"?
        arjun1296 6y ago
        https://qz.com/india/948392/why-did-winston-churchill-hate-the-hindus-and-prefer-the-muslims/ https://qz.com/india/948392/why-did-winston-churchill-hate-t... http://ramachandraguha.in/archives/%E2%80%98a-beastly-people%E2%80%A6%E2%80%99.html http://ramachandraguha.in/archives/%E2%80%98a-beastly-people... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_views_of_Winston_Churchill https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_views_of_Winston_Church...
        mcguire 6y ago
        Winston Churchill?
        Bhardwaj4rt 6y ago
        Indian is a race !?! Socrates must help me!
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        6y ago
    - oa335 6y ago
      What about the refugees from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947_Jammu_massacres https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947_Jammu_massacres ?
      - malware7 6y ago
        I hope you read atleast one paragraph from that article. Also depending on how far you want to back in history, you would find that kashmir went of 0% muslim to majority muslim.
        oa335 6y ago
        I did read the entire article, which documented a pattern of back and forth communal violence stretching back decades. My point was that it's odd to focus on the one wave of refugees and ignore the others. Reparations for historical wrongs shouldn't be restricted to just one group.
        kbenson 6y ago
        Well, if you go far enough back in history, it went frmo 0% Hindu and random other tribal religions to mostly Hindu, right? That's the problem with "going far enough back in history", depending on how far you go, you can get rid of anything (even people), so you either need to provide bounds on how far you go back and why, justifying it, or you might as well not bring up that argument at all.
        naruvimama 6y ago
        Islam as with Christianity was a one man, one book affair from the relatively recent time. The older traditions much of which do not exist thanks to the two above religions, were timeless and pluralistic. Hinduism has no known history and is assumed to be evolved through the ages, like food or music - Hinduism is unbounded and untethered. Islam in Pakistan or Kashmir specifically has ethnically cleansed almost all non-muslims, imposes urdu at the cost of local languages and culture, and is now targeting smaller denominations as not being Islamic enough.
    - silentguy 6y ago
      This is a false argument. Muslims were majority in Kashmir before the exodus of Hindus. Your wiki link states that 300,000 to 600,000 Hindus left Kashmir due to the targeted violence. Muslims were in majority even if you include a Hindu majority Jammu. (https://indianexpress.com/article/explained/share-of-muslims-and-hindus-in-jk-population-same-in-1961-2011-censuses/ https://indianexpress.com/article/explained/share-of-muslims...) The reason of the violence against Hindus is the Indian government's desire to fully integrate Kashmir into India and deny the special provisions Kashmir was given as precondition to merge into the Union of India.
      - naruvimama 6y ago
        Muslims first came into Kashmir as refugees when they were fleeing the caliphate. Muslims got Pakistan and were through in ethnically cleansing the country. Kashmir & Pakistan is a lesson for the rest of the world, particularly Europe on why Muslims can not be trusted. Where they are in majority, they have no problem carrying out genocides and ethnic cleansing. When they are in simple minority they carry out riots and secession. When they are in small minority they cry "Islamaphobia" and want minority privileges. This above seems to be universal and is said to be inline with their teachings. Sadly a soft government has proved time and again its inability to protect its citizens from Islamic genocide.
    - john_max_1 6y ago
      Just like they become majority is Syria. And soon they are becoming majority in major European cities.
  - hairband 6y ago
    I think in the context of India it is unfair to call 10% population as Minority. 10% of Indian population is ~135 Million, that is more than the population of several countries.
arjun1296 6y ago
>Also surpression in Kashmir seems to have escalated over the past year with removal of local governance Seriously. . .Are you joking? The likes of Mufti and Abdullahs have not let the local body election happen for over decades. It took BJP govt in the center to do that. Mufti and Abdullah contested state election and general assembly showing the local people that democracy is working. And at the same time, they mis-used Art.370 to not let local body election happen in kashmir. They used Art.370 to deny fundamental rights of minorities and used it to communalize the local bureaucracy and even started issuing land and permits to rohingyas who are not even indian citizens.

malware7 6y ago

>> crackdown on ethnic minorities Which minorities?

throwaway4good 6y ago
About 10% of India's population is muslim however in Kashmir they are a majority which I think is more or less the root cause of the Kashmir conflict.
- malware7 6y ago
  I wonder how did muslims became majority in kashmir? Do you know? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exodus_of_Kashmiri_Hindus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exodus_of_Kashmiri_Hindus Now that the these refugees are coming back o their motherland, propagandists are busy labelling it as hindu occupation and minority oppression.
  - arjun1296 6y ago
    Globally, Hindus are a minority. So whether its a liberal or conservative foreigner(Christian or Muslim), to them Muslims are usually a minority. And foreigners are easily susceptible to believe the claims of Muslims being a minority without even checking the realities. Tthey almost always fail to understand that it is Hindus who is the real minority in Jammu and Kashmir. Morevoer, Christians and Muslims are of Abhrahamic origins and their morality is skewed in favor of their version of worship and social norms. Idol-worshippers like Hindus are considered beastly and low-life. So don't expect foreigners to accept what Hindus says as our moralities are going to cut through their doctrinal abhrahamic morality though they are separate religions.
    - Chris2048 6y ago
      > Idol-worshippers like Hindus are considered beastly and low-life. So don't expect foreigners.. How do you "check the realities" on these claims about foreigners?
      - arjun1296 6y ago
        Its pretty much evident from woke publications of western media
        Chris2048 6y ago
        Ok. Got any examples of woke western publications expressing the opinion that Hindus/idol-worshippers are "beastly and low-life"?
        arjun1296 6y ago
        https://qz.com/india/948392/why-did-winston-churchill-hate-the-hindus-and-prefer-the-muslims/ https://qz.com/india/948392/why-did-winston-churchill-hate-t... http://ramachandraguha.in/archives/%E2%80%98a-beastly-people%E2%80%A6%E2%80%99.html http://ramachandraguha.in/archives/%E2%80%98a-beastly-people... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_views_of_Winston_Churchill https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_views_of_Winston_Church...
        mcguire 6y ago
        Winston Churchill?
        Bhardwaj4rt 6y ago
        Indian is a race !?! Socrates must help me!
        deleted 6y ago
        [deleted]
        6y ago
  - oa335 6y ago
    What about the refugees from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947_Jammu_massacres https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947_Jammu_massacres ?
    - malware7 6y ago
      I hope you read atleast one paragraph from that article. Also depending on how far you want to back in history, you would find that kashmir went of 0% muslim to majority muslim.
      - oa335 6y ago
        I did read the entire article, which documented a pattern of back and forth communal violence stretching back decades. My point was that it's odd to focus on the one wave of refugees and ignore the others. Reparations for historical wrongs shouldn't be restricted to just one group.
      - kbenson 6y ago
        Well, if you go far enough back in history, it went frmo 0% Hindu and random other tribal religions to mostly Hindu, right? That's the problem with "going far enough back in history", depending on how far you go, you can get rid of anything (even people), so you either need to provide bounds on how far you go back and why, justifying it, or you might as well not bring up that argument at all.
        naruvimama 6y ago
        Islam as with Christianity was a one man, one book affair from the relatively recent time. The older traditions much of which do not exist thanks to the two above religions, were timeless and pluralistic. Hinduism has no known history and is assumed to be evolved through the ages, like food or music - Hinduism is unbounded and untethered. Islam in Pakistan or Kashmir specifically has ethnically cleansed almost all non-muslims, imposes urdu at the cost of local languages and culture, and is now targeting smaller denominations as not being Islamic enough.
  - silentguy 6y ago
    This is a false argument. Muslims were majority in Kashmir before the exodus of Hindus. Your wiki link states that 300,000 to 600,000 Hindus left Kashmir due to the targeted violence. Muslims were in majority even if you include a Hindu majority Jammu. (https://indianexpress.com/article/explained/share-of-muslims-and-hindus-in-jk-population-same-in-1961-2011-censuses/ https://indianexpress.com/article/explained/share-of-muslims...) The reason of the violence against Hindus is the Indian government's desire to fully integrate Kashmir into India and deny the special provisions Kashmir was given as precondition to merge into the Union of India.
    - naruvimama 6y ago
      Muslims first came into Kashmir as refugees when they were fleeing the caliphate. Muslims got Pakistan and were through in ethnically cleansing the country. Kashmir & Pakistan is a lesson for the rest of the world, particularly Europe on why Muslims can not be trusted. Where they are in majority, they have no problem carrying out genocides and ethnic cleansing. When they are in simple minority they carry out riots and secession. When they are in small minority they cry "Islamaphobia" and want minority privileges. This above seems to be universal and is said to be inline with their teachings. Sadly a soft government has proved time and again its inability to protect its citizens from Islamic genocide.
  - john_max_1 6y ago
    Just like they become majority is Syria. And soon they are becoming majority in major European cities.
- hairband 6y ago
  I think in the context of India it is unfair to call 10% population as Minority. 10% of Indian population is ~135 Million, that is more than the population of several countries.

arjun1296 6y ago

>Also surpression in Kashmir seems to have escalated over the past year with removal of local governance Seriously. . .Are you joking? The likes of Mufti and Abdullahs have not let the local body election happen for over decades. It took BJP govt in the center to do that. Mufti and Abdullah contested state election and general assembly showing the local people that democracy is working. And at the same time, they mis-used Art.370 to not let local body election happen in kashmir. They used Art.370 to deny fundamental rights of minorities and used it to communalize the local bureaucracy and even started issuing land and permits to rohingyas who are not even indian citizens.