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Then I'll start selling a little $50 box to emulate internet and route all update / advertisement requests to /dev/null :) Or maybe we (the tech community) jus

Then I'll start selling a little $50 box to emulate internet and route all update / advertisement requests to /dev/null :) Or maybe we (the tech community) just agree on one model and produce an open source firmware. If you look at MagicLantern for Canon, you'll see how amazingly far people will go to control their hardware.

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huhtenberg 6y ago
That won't last long either if at all. They will just require an SSL connectivity to their servers with a custom CA root. The end.
- adriancr 6y ago
  so... 1. Order TV. 2. test if it works without agreeing to anything and without internet. 3. return if that's not the case. I have yet to accept EULA on samsung on anything and it works... Right now the ACR is troubling. Telling a remote server what you're watching... Only solution I found - not connected + hdmi to Linux box I control.
  - belorn 6y ago
    As an older comment mention, they can easily add an delay that makes it work without an connection only for the duration in which an return is possible. It is very hard to win against hostile design.
    - adriancr 6y ago
      I agree with you it's hard to win against hostile design but there are options for now. If it stops working after return period I call under warranty that it stopped working (2 years), they are forced to fix the issue. Explain the issue, explain you cannot connect to the internet. If it doesn't work, forward the whole info to the customer protection bureau if you're in the EU. Edit: I will test this out by setting a date far in the future when I buy new equipment (will also hopefully cause SSL failures due to expired certificates internally in the firmware)
    - fxtentacle 6y ago
      This would be a known defect under EU warranty law, which means once it kicks in, you can get a full refund if you want to.
      - adriancr 6y ago
        They can try and fix it 3 times then you get your money back.
    - anticensor 6y ago
      That would easily cause lawsuits as it is clear that the other party is doing that solely to cheat against law.
- fxtentacle 6y ago
  You're assuming a level of technical skill on the side of TV manufacturers that it almost sounds like a joke to me. In any case, all you need is one model with a decent screen and broken certificate pinning and I'm good for the 3-5 years that the TV will last. And until then, I'd assume that Nvidia sees the market demand for big TV-like PC screens and outcompetes the TV manufacturers.
bluGill 6y ago
It is called a monitor. Works just fine for whatever and people use it for work. The factory I work at had large one scattered around to show line information. Some of the information is safety critical and so if it is inyeruped with an ad there will be legal issues.
- toong 6y ago
  In a not so-distant future dystopia you can only get monitors without ad-overlays, when you pay for the monthly subscription ... You'll get the first month for free, when you sign up for the 2-year plan for 19.99$/month right now!!
  - Cthulhu_ 6y ago
    Oh no, you'll pay the subscription AND you'll get ads. That's what Amazon Prime feels like atm, preroll ads for other shows at the start of everything you play (even next episodes).
- Freak_NL 6y ago
  I've wondered about this. The TV I have (a Sony Bravia) is now almost a decade old (works fine). We got it specifically because it has a slot for a DVB-T module (terrestrial broadcast). DVB-T is now gone (replaced by DVB-T2, but I doubt this will remain in the air long), so we have no broadcast TV now, only our HTPC connected to it with Netflix, local media files, and a browser. Frankly, we don't miss the TV channels. Streaming works okayish for the public channels, but we rarely bother. The TV is just a dumb screen connected to a receiver, which has the HTPC as input as well as record player. So the only thing a 'TV' offers me is its screen. Is that any different from a high end computer monitor these days? Is there a difference based on the viewing distance perhaps?
  - bluGill 6y ago
    Historically monitors has better pictures at the expense that you couldn't look at them off angle, while TVs you could look at from anywhere in the room. I think that is gone today but it might be something that comes up again... Though in the safety critical application I brought up off-angle viewing is a requirement.

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huhtenberg 6y ago

That won't last long either if at all. They will just require an SSL connectivity to their servers with a custom CA root. The end.

adriancr 6y ago
so... 1. Order TV. 2. test if it works without agreeing to anything and without internet. 3. return if that's not the case. I have yet to accept EULA on samsung on anything and it works... Right now the ACR is troubling. Telling a remote server what you're watching... Only solution I found - not connected + hdmi to Linux box I control.
- belorn 6y ago
  As an older comment mention, they can easily add an delay that makes it work without an connection only for the duration in which an return is possible. It is very hard to win against hostile design.
  - adriancr 6y ago
    I agree with you it's hard to win against hostile design but there are options for now. If it stops working after return period I call under warranty that it stopped working (2 years), they are forced to fix the issue. Explain the issue, explain you cannot connect to the internet. If it doesn't work, forward the whole info to the customer protection bureau if you're in the EU. Edit: I will test this out by setting a date far in the future when I buy new equipment (will also hopefully cause SSL failures due to expired certificates internally in the firmware)
  - fxtentacle 6y ago
    This would be a known defect under EU warranty law, which means once it kicks in, you can get a full refund if you want to.
    - adriancr 6y ago
      They can try and fix it 3 times then you get your money back.
  - anticensor 6y ago
    That would easily cause lawsuits as it is clear that the other party is doing that solely to cheat against law.
fxtentacle 6y ago
You're assuming a level of technical skill on the side of TV manufacturers that it almost sounds like a joke to me. In any case, all you need is one model with a decent screen and broken certificate pinning and I'm good for the 3-5 years that the TV will last. And until then, I'd assume that Nvidia sees the market demand for big TV-like PC screens and outcompetes the TV manufacturers.

bluGill 6y ago

It is called a monitor. Works just fine for whatever and people use it for work. The factory I work at had large one scattered around to show line information. Some of the information is safety critical and so if it is inyeruped with an ad there will be legal issues.

toong 6y ago
In a not so-distant future dystopia you can only get monitors without ad-overlays, when you pay for the monthly subscription ... You'll get the first month for free, when you sign up for the 2-year plan for 19.99$/month right now!!
- Cthulhu_ 6y ago
  Oh no, you'll pay the subscription AND you'll get ads. That's what Amazon Prime feels like atm, preroll ads for other shows at the start of everything you play (even next episodes).
Freak_NL 6y ago
I've wondered about this. The TV I have (a Sony Bravia) is now almost a decade old (works fine). We got it specifically because it has a slot for a DVB-T module (terrestrial broadcast). DVB-T is now gone (replaced by DVB-T2, but I doubt this will remain in the air long), so we have no broadcast TV now, only our HTPC connected to it with Netflix, local media files, and a browser. Frankly, we don't miss the TV channels. Streaming works okayish for the public channels, but we rarely bother. The TV is just a dumb screen connected to a receiver, which has the HTPC as input as well as record player. So the only thing a 'TV' offers me is its screen. Is that any different from a high end computer monitor these days? Is there a difference based on the viewing distance perhaps?
- bluGill 6y ago
  Historically monitors has better pictures at the expense that you couldn't look at them off angle, while TVs you could look at from anywhere in the room. I think that is gone today but it might be something that comes up again... Though in the safety critical application I brought up off-angle viewing is a requirement.