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Google says that the fact that 97% are already using the system somehow supports them in their goal for making it mandatory. I read the fact that 97% are alread

Google says that the fact that 97% are already using the system somehow supports them in their goal for making it mandatory. I read the fact that 97% are already using the system as demonstrating that the system obviously doesn't need to be expanded since it basically already serves everyone as well as demonstrating that 3% obviously are not served by it and therefore shouldn't be covered by it. Then again I guess you can interpret basically any fact in your favor if you prefer a certain interpretation. edit: Also I might add that Google is almost certainly being disingenuous. They say that only 3% don't use the system say that includes "Netflix, Spotify, and other big services". It seems pretty obvious that it's not 3% of revenue. This explains that Google is actually doing this for money and simply lying about their intentions.

parasubvert 6y ago
Everyone knows Google is doing this for money, that’s what every company does everything for. It’s not lying to promote other perspectives or positives - that’s called marketing.
- srtjstjsj 6y ago
  "Promoting perspectives" is fine for advertising, but not for screwing over existing users who have their own perspectives already.
- jayd16 6y ago
  alright but some profit motives align with customer interests and some do not. The discussion here is to make that determination.
jojobas 6y ago
Netflix and Spotify wouldn't care. After not finding an app in Play Store a quick google will bring them to an alternate store or something like that, it's not Apple's walled garden. It can only affect the apps that users don't know they need.
- wutbrodo 6y ago
  I think the value of Android's relative openness is often understated on HN, but in this case I don't think it helps. There is a very substantial chunk of users for whom "a quick Google bringing them to an alternate store or apk" is a hard blocker in terms of interest and/or ability.
  - jojobas 6y ago
    They claim they made it easier to use alternate stores in this very release, and the inability of an average user to google is overstated. There's no limit to interest to Netflix, Stranger Things won't watch itself.
    - clusterfish 6y ago
      Inability != Willingness and motivation and enough attention span. Anyone who has ever worked on a conversion funnel would know.
    - michaelmrose 6y ago
      The next release will take 4 years to reach 80% of users based on past experience. Only half of users are even on 9 which released last year.
  - d1zzy 6y ago
    It's hard to say if, for the average user, it's easier/more likely that they will get to the Netflix app (whether on official store or not) by clicking a link from the Netflix website than by doing a search for it in the Play Store. If they see a Netflix ad with netflix.com address on it I imagine they'll just type that in their mobile browser. A page would open, which detects the platform and prompts them to click "here" to install app. And now that link can be outside of the Play Store, the user doesn't even visit it. But for all those that might mistakenly look for it in the Play Store, you can have a stub app there that just redirects them (opens a browser page) to where to get the real, outside the store app,
- aww_dang 6y ago

parasubvert 6y ago

Everyone knows Google is doing this for money, that’s what every company does everything for. It’s not lying to promote other perspectives or positives - that’s called marketing.

srtjstjsj 6y ago
"Promoting perspectives" is fine for advertising, but not for screwing over existing users who have their own perspectives already.
jayd16 6y ago
alright but some profit motives align with customer interests and some do not. The discussion here is to make that determination.

jojobas 6y ago

Netflix and Spotify wouldn't care. After not finding an app in Play Store a quick google will bring them to an alternate store or something like that, it's not Apple's walled garden. It can only affect the apps that users don't know they need.

wutbrodo 6y ago
I think the value of Android's relative openness is often understated on HN, but in this case I don't think it helps. There is a very substantial chunk of users for whom "a quick Google bringing them to an alternate store or apk" is a hard blocker in terms of interest and/or ability.
- jojobas 6y ago
  They claim they made it easier to use alternate stores in this very release, and the inability of an average user to google is overstated. There's no limit to interest to Netflix, Stranger Things won't watch itself.
  - clusterfish 6y ago
    Inability != Willingness and motivation and enough attention span. Anyone who has ever worked on a conversion funnel would know.
  - michaelmrose 6y ago
    The next release will take 4 years to reach 80% of users based on past experience. Only half of users are even on 9 which released last year.
- d1zzy 6y ago
  It's hard to say if, for the average user, it's easier/more likely that they will get to the Netflix app (whether on official store or not) by clicking a link from the Netflix website than by doing a search for it in the Play Store. If they see a Netflix ad with netflix.com address on it I imagine they'll just type that in their mobile browser. A page would open, which detects the platform and prompts them to click "here" to install app. And now that link can be outside of the Play Store, the user doesn't even visit it. But for all those that might mistakenly look for it in the Play Store, you can have a stub app there that just redirects them (opens a browser page) to where to get the real, outside the store app,
aww_dang 6y ago