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I disagree with parts of what you say. Your answer largely sounds like: "I like it how it is, I'm an expert, don't you even dare to think of a better way". > I

by Yoric 16y ago

I disagree with parts of what you say. Your answer largely sounds like: "I like it how it is, I'm an expert, don't you even dare to think of a better way". > I can change my logic from PHP to Node.js without having to relearn a new markup language for a different browser ecosystem - the CSS, JS and images I used earlier will still work from a new server. Sure, you won't have to relearn a new markup language and that's clearly good. But, look, your database will still stop working and your client-server I/O will suddenly show a completely different behavior. The current generation of web development requires a modularity that generally doesn't fit the application, and it shows.

mgkimsal 16y ago
There is an element of that, certainly. I am an expert now, at certain aspects of web development. In others I'm not. But that said, the beauty of things is the interop. By all means, think of something better. I dare you to. I just don't think anything 'better' will retain any degree of cross-platformness, either for developers or end users. We had HyperCard and Director and VB and many other platforms which took care of a lot of things for us, but also locked you down to a relatively tiny audience of people. "The Web" doesn't do that (at least not to the extent earlier platforms did). Thing is, nothing like this has ever been done before - app access distributed around the world with a massive ecosystem of development tools and services which by and large can work together, even if they weren't designed to work explicitly with each other. re: "database will stop working". No it won't. I will need to use similar APIs to access it - the database engine itself will keep chugging away just fine. And... my client/server I/O will change? How so? A browser sending in a POST will be accessed in a request.post (or whatever the exact syntax on node is) and $_POST in PHP. So what? Presumably I'm switching because there's some other benefit (concurrency, team skills, etc) that I'd get beyond relearning the specific syntax of general concepts in a new platform. Again - I wholeheartedly welcome people to envision a new paradigm. I'm old, cynical and skeptical enough to demand that I "see it before I believe it", and given the network effects at play, it'll have to be magnitudes better for all parties involved to catch on. Embrace the diversity and use it to your advantage.
- Yoric 16y ago
  > Again - I wholeheartedly welcome people to envision a new paradigm. I'm old, cynical and skeptical enough to demand that I "see it before I believe it", and given the network effects at play, it'll have to be magnitudes better for all parties involved to catch on. Fair enough. Let's meet again in a few months/years and compare notes :)

by Yoric 16y ago

mgkimsal 16y ago

There is an element of that, certainly. I am an expert now, at certain aspects of web development. In others I'm not. But that said, the beauty of things is the interop. By all means, think of something better. I dare you to. I just don't think anything 'better' will retain any degree of cross-platformness, either for developers or end users. We had HyperCard and Director and VB and many other platforms which took care of a lot of things for us, but also locked you down to a relatively tiny audience of people. "The Web" doesn't do that (at least not to the extent earlier platforms did). Thing is, nothing like this has ever been done before - app access distributed around the world with a massive ecosystem of development tools and services which by and large can work together, even if they weren't designed to work explicitly with each other. re: "database will stop working". No it won't. I will need to use similar APIs to access it - the database engine itself will keep chugging away just fine. And... my client/server I/O will change? How so? A browser sending in a POST will be accessed in a request.post (or whatever the exact syntax on node is) and $_POST in PHP. So what? Presumably I'm switching because there's some other benefit (concurrency, team skills, etc) that I'd get beyond relearning the specific syntax of general concepts in a new platform. Again - I wholeheartedly welcome people to envision a new paradigm. I'm old, cynical and skeptical enough to demand that I "see it before I believe it", and given the network effects at play, it'll have to be magnitudes better for all parties involved to catch on. Embrace the diversity and use it to your advantage.

Yoric 16y ago
> Again - I wholeheartedly welcome people to envision a new paradigm. I'm old, cynical and skeptical enough to demand that I "see it before I believe it", and given the network effects at play, it'll have to be magnitudes better for all parties involved to catch on. Fair enough. Let's meet again in a few months/years and compare notes :)