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My experience in the US big city tech scene is that the best way to get promoted or given a raise is to simply get a new job every ~3 years.

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pm90 6y ago
I think its the best way to get a meaningful raise. Many jobs will promote you but still can't go more than 10% of your current base, max. While switching jobs you can net a lot more than that.
- giantg2 6y ago
  It's 7% at my company. Not even worth it since they expect a 15% increase in hours and increase your responsibilities. Hourly, it's actually a pay cut, even if the yearly comp goes up.
  - taway212 6y ago
    There is a flip side to this. As employees see this happen, they get jaded and stay in their position, then work less and less until they effectively get an hourly rate promotion.
    - giantg2 6y ago
      True. I'm living this right now.
vsareto 6y ago
Changing every year is good as well.
marcinzm 6y ago
I feel it gets harder at higher levels where companies prefer to promote internally and/or want previous experience at that level (ie: lead a cross-functional project with 20+ engineers, etc.).
- hinkley 6y ago
  The job I want is one that is often filled internally. For years I'd take a lesser title and then work my way into that position, but any time that doesn't happen, you're stuck not being where you want to be. When they don't fill that position internally, the first question is, "why are none of their people up to the task? What sort of dysfunction will I be walking into at this place?" It's sort of a weird, sideways version of "I wouldn't want join any club that would have me as a member."
  - higeorge13 6y ago
    There might be another side on this. There might be a decent manager who knows that the current employees don't have the skills to do the job. Being 5-10 years in the company does not necessarily mean you are a good leader or manager to be promoted and become team lead, VP of engineering or CTO. Companies do that same mistake all the time.
- 49yearsold 6y ago
  This true; at least in the US; where I am - in my experience. If you are at Sr. Manager or Director level (leading group of 10+ HR reporting to you or cross functional team lead), it gets increasingly difficult to change jobs frequently.
  - sjg007 6y ago
    At this point you hope your network can help you... and pre-covid why you would do speaking engagements /conferences.
- PragmaticPulp 6y ago
  Yes, it works well at the lower levels, but this strategy falls apart if you want to work your way into the upper levels of an established company. These companies want someone who has proven that they can deliver results within the company, understands how the company operates, has built enough relationships within the company to have sufficient influence, and isn't going to establish a team and then leave for another job in a few years.
rocqua 6y ago
Wish I didn't love my current job to death. No way I am ever going to willfully move away from here I think. Pretty much a luxury problem though.
- csours 6y ago
  Life is more than just money. If you're not hurting for money and you're on a good team, by all means stay.

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pm90 6y ago

I think its the best way to get a meaningful raise. Many jobs will promote you but still can't go more than 10% of your current base, max. While switching jobs you can net a lot more than that.

giantg2 6y ago
It's 7% at my company. Not even worth it since they expect a 15% increase in hours and increase your responsibilities. Hourly, it's actually a pay cut, even if the yearly comp goes up.
- taway212 6y ago
  There is a flip side to this. As employees see this happen, they get jaded and stay in their position, then work less and less until they effectively get an hourly rate promotion.
  - giantg2 6y ago
    True. I'm living this right now.

vsareto 6y ago

Changing every year is good as well.

marcinzm 6y ago

I feel it gets harder at higher levels where companies prefer to promote internally and/or want previous experience at that level (ie: lead a cross-functional project with 20+ engineers, etc.).

hinkley 6y ago
The job I want is one that is often filled internally. For years I'd take a lesser title and then work my way into that position, but any time that doesn't happen, you're stuck not being where you want to be. When they don't fill that position internally, the first question is, "why are none of their people up to the task? What sort of dysfunction will I be walking into at this place?" It's sort of a weird, sideways version of "I wouldn't want join any club that would have me as a member."
- higeorge13 6y ago
  There might be another side on this. There might be a decent manager who knows that the current employees don't have the skills to do the job. Being 5-10 years in the company does not necessarily mean you are a good leader or manager to be promoted and become team lead, VP of engineering or CTO. Companies do that same mistake all the time.
49yearsold 6y ago
This true; at least in the US; where I am - in my experience. If you are at Sr. Manager or Director level (leading group of 10+ HR reporting to you or cross functional team lead), it gets increasingly difficult to change jobs frequently.
- sjg007 6y ago
  At this point you hope your network can help you... and pre-covid why you would do speaking engagements /conferences.
PragmaticPulp 6y ago
Yes, it works well at the lower levels, but this strategy falls apart if you want to work your way into the upper levels of an established company. These companies want someone who has proven that they can deliver results within the company, understands how the company operates, has built enough relationships within the company to have sufficient influence, and isn't going to establish a team and then leave for another job in a few years.

rocqua 6y ago

Wish I didn't love my current job to death. No way I am ever going to willfully move away from here I think. Pretty much a luxury problem though.

csours 6y ago
Life is more than just money. If you're not hurting for money and you're on a good team, by all means stay.