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The chinese system should be renamed to 'Social Control System' because that's what it does. It's intention is to control the masses. The problem with governme

The chinese system should be renamed to 'Social Control System' because that's what it does. It's intention is to control the masses. The problem with governments is size and reach. Governments attempt and do usually keep growing. The government ends up with laws like: https://library.municode.com/ar/little_rock/codes/code_of_ordinances?nodeId=COOR_CH18MIPROF_ARTIIOFINPUPEOR_S18-54SOHOSASH https://library.municode.com/ar/little_rock/codes/code_of_or... Why does a government care if you honk a horn near a sandwich shop after 9pm? How many places also make adultery illegal? How about ever decreasing speed limits? https://www.brusselstimes.com/brussels/107383/coronavirus-city-of-brussels-lowers-speed-limit-to-20-km-h/ https://www.brusselstimes.com/brussels/107383/coronavirus-ci... Government wants to grow, but how many of these laws are really enforced? However, if you had a social control system. It might be much more possible. That's the problem with robot cops. Which are coming eventually. The size of the police force will increase and the government will start to be able to enforce these laws. There will be a robot outside of every sandwich shop and you will be punished for honking your horn.

ardy42 6y ago
> The problem with governments is size and reach. Governments attempt and do usually keep growing. The government ends up with laws like: https://library.municode.com/ar/little_rock/codes/code_of_ordinances?nodeId=COOR_CH18MIPROF_ARTIIOFINPUPEOR_S18-54SOHOSASH https://library.municode.com/ar/little_rock/codes/code_of_or... >> Sec. 18-54. - Sounding of horns at sandwich shops. >> No person shall sound the horn on a vehicle at any place where cold drinks or sandwiches are served after 9:00 p.m. >> (Code 1961, § 25-74) Governments don't go around passing weird laws like the above for no reason. I betcha $1 that there's a good story behind that ordinance. There usually is in cases like that. Some thing with contract terms. Probably someone was doing something obnoxious, which was technically legal under then-current law. The local government did what it was supposed to do, and solved the problem (in this case, with a narrow ordinance).
- sleepysysadmin 6y ago
  No doubt some Karen complaining. That's an example, but the reality is that laws are tremendously extensive. Yet generally unenforced. When the government can start enforcing. Government will grow even larger and more specific.
  - ardy42 6y ago
    > No doubt some Karen complaining. I have some doubt about that. > That's an example, but the reality is that laws are tremendously extensive. Yet generally unenforced. When the government can start enforcing. Government will grow even larger and more specific. I'm pretty confident that the current cost of the above-cited ordinance is zero, and at one point in the past the value it provided was a small positive. I just Googled the law, and it shows up on a bunch of lists "dumb law" lists. It's way too specific and obscure to probably find any reasoning behind it without going through decades of meeting minutes of the Little Rock City Council. Here's another one that showed up on many of those lists: > 3. bear wrestling matches are prohibited. – Alabama (Acts 1996, No. 96-468, p. 581, §1.) Sounds pretty dumb, right? However, Bear wrestling matches are (or were) a thing, and it seems like it came to be (rightly) considered a form of animal mistreatment: https://www.texarkanagazette.com/news/national/story/2019/aug/12/history-bear-wrestling-and-when-it-was-outlawed/790293/ https://www.texarkanagazette.com/news/national/story/2019/au... > Bears used in wrestling were usually defanged and declawed, as well as kept in small trailers and fed poor diets, according to previous reports.... > Even at the start of the 1992 legislative season, bear wrestling was still reportedly legal in some parishes. But by the end of it, the activity was outlawed in every corner of Louisiana by the means of state law with little debate from lawmakers. > "It was just a poor form of entertainment that was at the expense of the animals," Jeff Dorson, Louisiana Humane Society director, told The Times in a 2011 report. Dorson lobbied for the bill in 1992. > "The state congress was surprisingly sympathetic to the bill after we showed them videotape and pictures of the animals," Dorson said. > The law came as an addition to the state's cruelty to animals criminal codes, and after three years of complaints on how traveling side show owners were treating their bears.
    - sleepysysadmin 6y ago
kortex 6y ago
100% agree. Automation is a force multiplier. It means each human can build more widgets, travel farther and faster, harvest more crops, and also snitch on a neighbor, enforce traffic violations, and cast a chilling effect over any behavior outside social norm.

ardy42 6y ago

> The problem with governments is size and reach. Governments attempt and do usually keep growing. The government ends up with laws like: https://library.municode.com/ar/little_rock/codes/code_of_ordinances?nodeId=COOR_CH18MIPROF_ARTIIOFINPUPEOR_S18-54SOHOSASH https://library.municode.com/ar/little_rock/codes/code_of_or... >> Sec. 18-54. - Sounding of horns at sandwich shops. >> No person shall sound the horn on a vehicle at any place where cold drinks or sandwiches are served after 9:00 p.m. >> (Code 1961, § 25-74) Governments don't go around passing weird laws like the above for no reason. I betcha $1 that there's a good story behind that ordinance. There usually is in cases like that. Some thing with contract terms. Probably someone was doing something obnoxious, which was technically legal under then-current law. The local government did what it was supposed to do, and solved the problem (in this case, with a narrow ordinance).

sleepysysadmin 6y ago
No doubt some Karen complaining. That's an example, but the reality is that laws are tremendously extensive. Yet generally unenforced. When the government can start enforcing. Government will grow even larger and more specific.
- ardy42 6y ago
  > No doubt some Karen complaining. I have some doubt about that. > That's an example, but the reality is that laws are tremendously extensive. Yet generally unenforced. When the government can start enforcing. Government will grow even larger and more specific. I'm pretty confident that the current cost of the above-cited ordinance is zero, and at one point in the past the value it provided was a small positive. I just Googled the law, and it shows up on a bunch of lists "dumb law" lists. It's way too specific and obscure to probably find any reasoning behind it without going through decades of meeting minutes of the Little Rock City Council. Here's another one that showed up on many of those lists: > 3. bear wrestling matches are prohibited. – Alabama (Acts 1996, No. 96-468, p. 581, §1.) Sounds pretty dumb, right? However, Bear wrestling matches are (or were) a thing, and it seems like it came to be (rightly) considered a form of animal mistreatment: https://www.texarkanagazette.com/news/national/story/2019/aug/12/history-bear-wrestling-and-when-it-was-outlawed/790293/ https://www.texarkanagazette.com/news/national/story/2019/au... > Bears used in wrestling were usually defanged and declawed, as well as kept in small trailers and fed poor diets, according to previous reports.... > Even at the start of the 1992 legislative season, bear wrestling was still reportedly legal in some parishes. But by the end of it, the activity was outlawed in every corner of Louisiana by the means of state law with little debate from lawmakers. > "It was just a poor form of entertainment that was at the expense of the animals," Jeff Dorson, Louisiana Humane Society director, told The Times in a 2011 report. Dorson lobbied for the bill in 1992. > "The state congress was surprisingly sympathetic to the bill after we showed them videotape and pictures of the animals," Dorson said. > The law came as an addition to the state's cruelty to animals criminal codes, and after three years of complaints on how traveling side show owners were treating their bears.
  - sleepysysadmin 6y ago

kortex 6y ago

100% agree. Automation is a force multiplier. It means each human can build more widgets, travel farther and faster, harvest more crops, and also snitch on a neighbor, enforce traffic violations, and cast a chilling effect over any behavior outside social norm.