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The truly terrifying thing to me about the Chinese social credit system is that the CCP is actively trying to package and sell it to other autocratic states. Th

The truly terrifying thing to me about the Chinese social credit system is that the CCP is actively trying to package and sell it to other autocratic states. They're testing it out and optimizing it on their own populace, but the eventual endgame is to sell it to a bunch of Asian, African, and Eastern European dictators and build themselves a nearly omnipotent back door to coerce and control the lives of people the world over.

disown 6y ago
> The truly terrifying thing to me about the Chinese social credit system is that the CCP is actively trying to package and sell it to other autocratic states. Such as? How many communist states did china create? > but the eventual endgame is to sell it to a bunch of Asian, African, and Eastern European dictators and build themselves a nearly omnipotent back door to coerce and control the lives of people the world over. I think you are projecting here. The only ones out for world domination is us, not them. As far as I can tell, we are the ones telling the rest of the world, including china, how they should behave, what kind of government they should have, etc. China isn't going around the world trying to overthrow venezuela, iran, syria, etc. If you are going to spread propaganda, at least make it believable. Not something that can be dismissed outright.
- timwaagh 6y ago
  To answer the question, China at the very least had a hand in the creation of Vietnam and north korea. They could be trying to export the system for different reasons than world domination. Perhaps just to make some money or befriend the neighbors. Russia sells its technology to anyone who wants it. Why wouldn't china?
  - mamborambo 6y ago
    The reality is that autocracy exists everywhere not just at the state level. A private property, private company, within a family, even a military organisation. Pieces of CCP "technology" used for surveillance, recognition, tracking, scoring, analyzing, censoring, etc can become saleable to the right customers, and since China is searching for its own export niche.
  - disown 6y ago
    The founding of north korea predates the founding of communist china. And it's more like china helped north korea and vietnam defend themselves against invasion rather than help create them. > Perhaps just to make some money or befriend the neighbors. Russia sells its technology to anyone who wants it. Why wouldn't china? That's not the OP was talking about was it.
- mechnesium 6y ago
  Well stated. There is no global Chinese hegemony... only the United States Global Police and their lies about freedom and democracy.
- TurkishPoptart 6y ago
  It's not "propaganda" that countries in former Yugoslavia, East Europe, and sub-saharan Africa are interested in the same surveillance systems. Source: https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/07/24/beijings-big-brother-tech-needs-african-faces/ https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/07/24/beijings-big-brother-te...

disown 6y ago

> The truly terrifying thing to me about the Chinese social credit system is that the CCP is actively trying to package and sell it to other autocratic states. Such as? How many communist states did china create? > but the eventual endgame is to sell it to a bunch of Asian, African, and Eastern European dictators and build themselves a nearly omnipotent back door to coerce and control the lives of people the world over. I think you are projecting here. The only ones out for world domination is us, not them. As far as I can tell, we are the ones telling the rest of the world, including china, how they should behave, what kind of government they should have, etc. China isn't going around the world trying to overthrow venezuela, iran, syria, etc. If you are going to spread propaganda, at least make it believable. Not something that can be dismissed outright.

timwaagh 6y ago
To answer the question, China at the very least had a hand in the creation of Vietnam and north korea. They could be trying to export the system for different reasons than world domination. Perhaps just to make some money or befriend the neighbors. Russia sells its technology to anyone who wants it. Why wouldn't china?
- mamborambo 6y ago
  The reality is that autocracy exists everywhere not just at the state level. A private property, private company, within a family, even a military organisation. Pieces of CCP "technology" used for surveillance, recognition, tracking, scoring, analyzing, censoring, etc can become saleable to the right customers, and since China is searching for its own export niche.
- disown 6y ago
  The founding of north korea predates the founding of communist china. And it's more like china helped north korea and vietnam defend themselves against invasion rather than help create them. > Perhaps just to make some money or befriend the neighbors. Russia sells its technology to anyone who wants it. Why wouldn't china? That's not the OP was talking about was it.
mechnesium 6y ago
Well stated. There is no global Chinese hegemony... only the United States Global Police and their lies about freedom and democracy.
TurkishPoptart 6y ago
It's not "propaganda" that countries in former Yugoslavia, East Europe, and sub-saharan Africa are interested in the same surveillance systems. Source: https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/07/24/beijings-big-brother-tech-needs-african-faces/ https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/07/24/beijings-big-brother-te...