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Nice summary on their website about the privacy restrictions and surveillance of the population due to their dystopian Social Credit System. If people aren't t

Nice summary on their website about the privacy restrictions and surveillance of the population due to their dystopian Social Credit System. If people aren't that familiar with SCS, this should bring them up to speed. I understand that this SCS is not yet fully active and in varying parts being tested throughout the country, but, at some point it will be ready and go live nationally. What's really worrying is that the SCS is in some parts, bits and pieces already in Western countries and there is a tendency for this privacy encroachment and surveillance creep to continue in the name of "safety" and "national security". We should be ever more vigilant and actively oppose this type of draconian nightmare that George Orwell envisioned in 1984 and which is being perfected by the CCP and brother #1 Xi Jinping.

inglor_cz 6y ago
in the name of "safety" and "national security". And, paradoxically enough, in the name of suppression of foreign interference.
disown 6y ago
My god, you sound exactly like the mindless drones that george orwell described in 1984. Instead of the "2 minute hate", you just participate online in a "2 minute rant". And instead of "eurasia/eastasia was always the enemy", you have "china is always the enemy". And instead of sneering at "Emmanual Goldstein", you sneer at "Xi Jinping". What is more orwellian than your comment: "We should be ever more vigilant and actively oppose this type of draconian nightmare that George Orwell envisioned in 1984 and which is being perfected by the CCP and brother #1 Xi Jinping." Do you realize how crazy you sound? Your comment reads like a caricature of a propaganda slogan straight from the novel. It's almost like you are part of a propaganda campaign. But I may be wrong. Every china related thread, you have a bunch of throwaways repeating the same nonsense over and over again.
- dang 6y ago
  Please don't break the site guidelines like this. I realize that it can be extremely frustrating to encounter comments that are so wrong from your perspective, especially when you're representing a minority viewpoint in the community. But we simply can't have commenters doing this sort of flamewar on the site—the community won't survive it. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and sticking to the rules when posting here, we'd be grateful. If you want to read moderation explanations where this kind of thing has come up in the past about China-related topics, there are a bunch here: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20-recycling%20chin&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... And here are explanations about the problem of arguing a contrary or minority position on HN: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20contrarian%20-dynamic&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=truth%20discredit%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor...
  - disown 6y ago
    > Please don't break the site guidelines like this. You were right to flag the comment in this instance. I realized I went a bit too far and actually went to delete/edit my comment soon after I submitted it but saw that it was already correctly flagged. I then was about to write an apology but was rate limited. So I just moved on. > I realize that it can be extremely frustrating to encounter comments that are so wrong from your perspective It was not just that it is wrong. It was that it read like plain propaganda. "We should be ever more vigilant and actively oppose this type of draconian nightmare that George Orwell envisioned in 1984 and which is being perfected by the CCP and brother #1 Xi Jinping." Normal people do not talk like this. You don't, I don't, nobody does. Not only that, the guy twisted 1984 for his agenda when 1984 truly warned us about he was doing. 1984 wasn't a warning about "the CCP" or "brother #1 Xi Jinping". On the surface it may appear to be a warning about the other. But fundamentally, it was a warning about people who exploit "the other", "the enemy", etc to instill fear and control within one's society. It's not about them, it's about us. I definitely slipped up there and will stay within the guidelines. Not a fan of flamewars either.
    - kortex 6y ago
      Except SCS is all about "fearing the other". Ex. A: China's singular party has implemented a surveilance dragnet and social tattling ideology with vast repercussions on freedoms and censorship. Features include forced assimilation until it is "voluntary" (re-education), measures that encourage ratting out dissidents, a leader with near mythical status, and a technical panopticon. Ex. B: HN commentor warning about just such a system. I get your point, but GP is hardly "spreading fear about the other" when saying "hey we need to pay attention to this if we care about liberty"
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inglor_cz 6y ago

in the name of "safety" and "national security". And, paradoxically enough, in the name of suppression of foreign interference.

disown 6y ago

My god, you sound exactly like the mindless drones that george orwell described in 1984. Instead of the "2 minute hate", you just participate online in a "2 minute rant". And instead of "eurasia/eastasia was always the enemy", you have "china is always the enemy". And instead of sneering at "Emmanual Goldstein", you sneer at "Xi Jinping". What is more orwellian than your comment: "We should be ever more vigilant and actively oppose this type of draconian nightmare that George Orwell envisioned in 1984 and which is being perfected by the CCP and brother #1 Xi Jinping." Do you realize how crazy you sound? Your comment reads like a caricature of a propaganda slogan straight from the novel. It's almost like you are part of a propaganda campaign. But I may be wrong. Every china related thread, you have a bunch of throwaways repeating the same nonsense over and over again.

dang 6y ago
Please don't break the site guidelines like this. I realize that it can be extremely frustrating to encounter comments that are so wrong from your perspective, especially when you're representing a minority viewpoint in the community. But we simply can't have commenters doing this sort of flamewar on the site—the community won't survive it. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and sticking to the rules when posting here, we'd be grateful. If you want to read moderation explanations where this kind of thing has come up in the past about China-related topics, there are a bunch here: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20-recycling%20chin&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... And here are explanations about the problem of arguing a contrary or minority position on HN: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20contrarian%20-dynamic&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=truth%20discredit%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor...
- disown 6y ago
  > Please don't break the site guidelines like this. You were right to flag the comment in this instance. I realized I went a bit too far and actually went to delete/edit my comment soon after I submitted it but saw that it was already correctly flagged. I then was about to write an apology but was rate limited. So I just moved on. > I realize that it can be extremely frustrating to encounter comments that are so wrong from your perspective It was not just that it is wrong. It was that it read like plain propaganda. "We should be ever more vigilant and actively oppose this type of draconian nightmare that George Orwell envisioned in 1984 and which is being perfected by the CCP and brother #1 Xi Jinping." Normal people do not talk like this. You don't, I don't, nobody does. Not only that, the guy twisted 1984 for his agenda when 1984 truly warned us about he was doing. 1984 wasn't a warning about "the CCP" or "brother #1 Xi Jinping". On the surface it may appear to be a warning about the other. But fundamentally, it was a warning about people who exploit "the other", "the enemy", etc to instill fear and control within one's society. It's not about them, it's about us. I definitely slipped up there and will stay within the guidelines. Not a fan of flamewars either.
  - kortex 6y ago
    Except SCS is all about "fearing the other". Ex. A: China's singular party has implemented a surveilance dragnet and social tattling ideology with vast repercussions on freedoms and censorship. Features include forced assimilation until it is "voluntary" (re-education), measures that encourage ratting out dissidents, a leader with near mythical status, and a technical panopticon. Ex. B: HN commentor warning about just such a system. I get your point, but GP is hardly "spreading fear about the other" when saying "hey we need to pay attention to this if we care about liberty"

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