4 ms·

As noted in the HN article on that blog post, this is because FB shadowbans articles if they get organic growth for too long until they buy FB ads. This isn't s

by zaarn 6y ago

As noted in the HN article on that blog post, this is because FB shadowbans articles if they get organic growth for too long until they buy FB ads. This isn't specific to Assange's hearing but simply a reality of blog owners.

black_puppydog 6y ago
That still means that these platforms structurally work against getting important/valuable information to where it needs to be heard. I couldn't think of a better example of why these practices need to die a swift death, if societies the world around want to have any chance of preventing a total downfall of discourse.
- sgt101 6y ago
  I doubt this is actually true though - as if it were it would be a very, very clear case of anti-competitive behavior, and although FB has bought of the US government there would definitely be action from the EU.
  - Jon_Lowtek 6y ago
    This is very much true. The very purpose of Facebook is to promote the opinion it gets paid to promote by its customers. People always simplify target-tailored-content to "Targeted Advertising" and then dumb it down to "you like shoes? buy more shoes!" but FB has become far more intricate then that. Its customers are mega-corporations, political parties, governments. If some content spreads too quickly it not only gets shadowbanned to slow its spread, it gets reported to the authorities. Many regimes worldwide have taken note how China and Saudi-Arabia are handling the emergence of social networks. They want the same features. Even western democracies churned in and want FB to do more about "fake news". Tell me, what is the remedy against those ailment? How exactly does a social network slow down what is known as a "troll farm"? And that is the nice case where disruptive enemy propaganda is just that and not some dysphemism for a grass root dissident pro-human-rights civil movement. The highest paying customers are not paying for shoe-ads, or to talk to their friends or plan events, they pay for censorship, surveillance and control of popular opinion. You are not a customer, you are cattle. No go and consume your feed.
    - zaarn 6y ago
      This sounds very much like the boomer-tinfoil version of what's going on, especially with that nice classic aggressive ending sentence.
      - Jon_Lowtek 6y ago
        Well you are welcome to give your own opinion about "what's going on"
GoblinSlayer 6y ago
Twitter too?
slg 6y ago
Maybe we need an adjusted Hanlon's razor. "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by a combination of an indifference to ethics and corrupted capitalistic incentives."
hammock 6y ago
That's a possibility and a possible contributor but doesn't convincingly explain why his traffic decreased 85% (if it was throttled after a certain level of success, you would expect it to plateau)
- zaarn 6y ago
  It wouldn't plateau because you get throttled across the board over all your posts and significantly so. Your posts, old and new, simply don't get promoted into timelines anymore. As a result, your traffic from FB will rapidly drop until you pay them off, that's just business if you want to spread on FB.

by zaarn 6y ago

black_puppydog 6y ago

That still means that these platforms structurally work against getting important/valuable information to where it needs to be heard. I couldn't think of a better example of why these practices need to die a swift death, if societies the world around want to have any chance of preventing a total downfall of discourse.

sgt101 6y ago
I doubt this is actually true though - as if it were it would be a very, very clear case of anti-competitive behavior, and although FB has bought of the US government there would definitely be action from the EU.
- Jon_Lowtek 6y ago
  This is very much true. The very purpose of Facebook is to promote the opinion it gets paid to promote by its customers. People always simplify target-tailored-content to "Targeted Advertising" and then dumb it down to "you like shoes? buy more shoes!" but FB has become far more intricate then that. Its customers are mega-corporations, political parties, governments. If some content spreads too quickly it not only gets shadowbanned to slow its spread, it gets reported to the authorities. Many regimes worldwide have taken note how China and Saudi-Arabia are handling the emergence of social networks. They want the same features. Even western democracies churned in and want FB to do more about "fake news". Tell me, what is the remedy against those ailment? How exactly does a social network slow down what is known as a "troll farm"? And that is the nice case where disruptive enemy propaganda is just that and not some dysphemism for a grass root dissident pro-human-rights civil movement. The highest paying customers are not paying for shoe-ads, or to talk to their friends or plan events, they pay for censorship, surveillance and control of popular opinion. You are not a customer, you are cattle. No go and consume your feed.
  - zaarn 6y ago
    This sounds very much like the boomer-tinfoil version of what's going on, especially with that nice classic aggressive ending sentence.
    - Jon_Lowtek 6y ago
      Well you are welcome to give your own opinion about "what's going on"

GoblinSlayer 6y ago

Twitter too?

slg 6y ago

Maybe we need an adjusted Hanlon's razor. "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by a combination of an indifference to ethics and corrupted capitalistic incentives."

hammock 6y ago

That's a possibility and a possible contributor but doesn't convincingly explain why his traffic decreased 85% (if it was throttled after a certain level of success, you would expect it to plateau)

zaarn 6y ago
It wouldn't plateau because you get throttled across the board over all your posts and significantly so. Your posts, old and new, simply don't get promoted into timelines anymore. As a result, your traffic from FB will rapidly drop until you pay them off, that's just business if you want to spread on FB.