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"website for weed" is underplaying the crime. All the major illegal drugs were sold... including those which have no place existing in the world. Yes, major co

"website for weed" is underplaying the crime. All the major illegal drugs were sold... including those which have no place existing in the world. Yes, major corruption on the federal side. But not much sympathy for the crime here, esp. as it was so intentional and lucrative.

yipbub 6y ago
> "website for weed" is underplaying the crime. All the major illegal drugs were sold... including those which have no place existing in the world. Decriminalization of all drugs does seem to be something being taken very seriously. Reduces abuse, harm, and violent crime.
- jkinudsjknds 6y ago
  Decriminalization of all drugs could be an effective policy with positive effects across the board while it still being true that a selective set of laws to allow most drugs, but not all drugs, could have better results. Especially at the seller's end, rather than the consumer.
swiley 6y ago
The whole "XYZ material shouldn't exist in the world" thing seems so naive. It's not hard to manufacture most things and people always will find ways to do it. If we want to use legislation to help people then we should do that but using violence and prisons probably isn't helping anyone.
- 3pt14159 6y ago
  I disagree. It's not hard to find a zero day in software used for parts of our critical infrastructure. It's not hard to create potent drugs from small amounts of precursors. It's not hard to build a gun or a bomb in a machine shop. But the thing is, most people that have those skills are not malicious. At worst, they're money-motivated and will sell these types of society damaging substances or objects, but with the long arm of the law and a credible threat of jail time most of the people that would try to make a quick buck are dissuaded from doing so, or at least slowed by the resultant paranoia. I know it's not perfect. I know many illegal drugs should be legal and I know that people outside of the western world smuggle in or transmit these things that damage our society, but that doesn't invalidate our struggle. We cannot live in a lawless society and though I think that it is better to cut the root causes of things like drug abuse, we still need to keep dangerous drugs to a minimum.
  - swiley 6y ago
    >But the thing is, most people that have those skills are not malicious. At worst, they're money-motivated and will sell these types of society damaging substances or objects, but with the long arm of the law and a credible threat of jail time most of the people that would try to make a quick buck are dissuaded from doing so, or at least slowed by the resultant paranoia. If this were the actually the case and people with those skills weren't malicious and were dissuaded by the law then the only way to obtain those substances would be to manufacture them yourself. As it stands you can find sellers on Instagram so that's clearly wrong.
- JohnBooty 6y ago
  It's not hard to manufacture most things and people always will find ways to do it. Ever hear of a drug addict becoming so desperate that they start manufacturing their own drugs for personal use? Aside from growing pot, which I wouldn't call "manufacturing", not once have I ever heard of this happening. If it's so "not hard", why doesn't this happen? Manufacturing drugs isn't difficult on the order of refining uranium or something, but it's not trivial. You need knowledge, gear, raw materials that are not all trivial to obtain, and a location where you pull off some kind of small-scale chemical manufacturing operation without getting caught. If we want to use legislation to help people then we should do that but using violence and prisons probably isn't helping anyone. I would certainly agree that we should not criminalize drug users of any sort. Suppliers and manufacturers of deadly drugs are another story. The whole "XYZ material shouldn't exist in the world" thing seems so naive. What's naive is lumping all recreational drugs together with blanket statements like these. Recreational drugs run the gamut from nearly harmless (marijuana, etc) to absolutely deadly (heroin, fentanyl, etc). In a just and logical world, they would never even be a part of the same discussion. At the deadly end of the spectrum, yes, I certainly do feel confident in saying that some drugs have absolutely no place in society. I have seen what they do. I have been to the funerals for friends, loved ones, and family members. There is no safe way to use heroin. Drugs like meth, heroin, and crack destroy lives and towns. It is the laziest and most naive possible libertarian dream to think that people should be allowed to supply deadlier drugs to people because of one's lasses-faire fever dreams. It's the kind of isolated, privileged fantasy that evaporates quickly when you have to identify your son in a morgue.
  - FDSGSG 6y ago
    >Ever hear of a drug addict becoming so desperate that they start manufacturing their own drugs for personal use? Aside from growing pot, which I wouldn't call "manufacturing", not once have I ever heard of this happening. If it's so "not hard", why doesn't this happen? Shake and bake meth is hardly uncommon.
ofcrookedtimber 6y ago
"no place existing in the world"? Jesus this mentality is so stuck in the stone age and what enables the vile & pernicious war on drugs to continue.
justforyou 6y ago
>> including those which have no place existing in the world. Superstitious puritanical attitudes like that are why the site existed in the firstplace.
cooljacob204 6y ago
I still don't think anyone deserves life in prison for creating a drug exchange website.
xtian 6y ago
The “war on drugs” has exacted a higher human toll on our society than any of the substances which you claim “have no place existing in the world.” Do some research.
bitxbitxbitcoin 6y ago
I believe it technically started as a "website for shrooms" not a "website for weed." Does that raise or lower the criminality? Because it's actually a lower schedule drug federally...

yipbub 6y ago

> "website for weed" is underplaying the crime. All the major illegal drugs were sold... including those which have no place existing in the world. Decriminalization of all drugs does seem to be something being taken very seriously. Reduces abuse, harm, and violent crime.

jkinudsjknds 6y ago
Decriminalization of all drugs could be an effective policy with positive effects across the board while it still being true that a selective set of laws to allow most drugs, but not all drugs, could have better results. Especially at the seller's end, rather than the consumer.

swiley 6y ago

The whole "XYZ material shouldn't exist in the world" thing seems so naive. It's not hard to manufacture most things and people always will find ways to do it. If we want to use legislation to help people then we should do that but using violence and prisons probably isn't helping anyone.

3pt14159 6y ago
I disagree. It's not hard to find a zero day in software used for parts of our critical infrastructure. It's not hard to create potent drugs from small amounts of precursors. It's not hard to build a gun or a bomb in a machine shop. But the thing is, most people that have those skills are not malicious. At worst, they're money-motivated and will sell these types of society damaging substances or objects, but with the long arm of the law and a credible threat of jail time most of the people that would try to make a quick buck are dissuaded from doing so, or at least slowed by the resultant paranoia. I know it's not perfect. I know many illegal drugs should be legal and I know that people outside of the western world smuggle in or transmit these things that damage our society, but that doesn't invalidate our struggle. We cannot live in a lawless society and though I think that it is better to cut the root causes of things like drug abuse, we still need to keep dangerous drugs to a minimum.
- swiley 6y ago
  >But the thing is, most people that have those skills are not malicious. At worst, they're money-motivated and will sell these types of society damaging substances or objects, but with the long arm of the law and a credible threat of jail time most of the people that would try to make a quick buck are dissuaded from doing so, or at least slowed by the resultant paranoia. If this were the actually the case and people with those skills weren't malicious and were dissuaded by the law then the only way to obtain those substances would be to manufacture them yourself. As it stands you can find sellers on Instagram so that's clearly wrong.
JohnBooty 6y ago
It's not hard to manufacture most things and people always will find ways to do it. Ever hear of a drug addict becoming so desperate that they start manufacturing their own drugs for personal use? Aside from growing pot, which I wouldn't call "manufacturing", not once have I ever heard of this happening. If it's so "not hard", why doesn't this happen? Manufacturing drugs isn't difficult on the order of refining uranium or something, but it's not trivial. You need knowledge, gear, raw materials that are not all trivial to obtain, and a location where you pull off some kind of small-scale chemical manufacturing operation without getting caught. If we want to use legislation to help people then we should do that but using violence and prisons probably isn't helping anyone. I would certainly agree that we should not criminalize drug users of any sort. Suppliers and manufacturers of deadly drugs are another story. The whole "XYZ material shouldn't exist in the world" thing seems so naive. What's naive is lumping all recreational drugs together with blanket statements like these. Recreational drugs run the gamut from nearly harmless (marijuana, etc) to absolutely deadly (heroin, fentanyl, etc). In a just and logical world, they would never even be a part of the same discussion. At the deadly end of the spectrum, yes, I certainly do feel confident in saying that some drugs have absolutely no place in society. I have seen what they do. I have been to the funerals for friends, loved ones, and family members. There is no safe way to use heroin. Drugs like meth, heroin, and crack destroy lives and towns. It is the laziest and most naive possible libertarian dream to think that people should be allowed to supply deadlier drugs to people because of one's lasses-faire fever dreams. It's the kind of isolated, privileged fantasy that evaporates quickly when you have to identify your son in a morgue.
- FDSGSG 6y ago
  >Ever hear of a drug addict becoming so desperate that they start manufacturing their own drugs for personal use? Aside from growing pot, which I wouldn't call "manufacturing", not once have I ever heard of this happening. If it's so "not hard", why doesn't this happen? Shake and bake meth is hardly uncommon.

ofcrookedtimber 6y ago

"no place existing in the world"? Jesus this mentality is so stuck in the stone age and what enables the vile & pernicious war on drugs to continue.

justforyou 6y ago

>> including those which have no place existing in the world. Superstitious puritanical attitudes like that are why the site existed in the firstplace.

cooljacob204 6y ago

I still don't think anyone deserves life in prison for creating a drug exchange website.

xtian 6y ago

The “war on drugs” has exacted a higher human toll on our society than any of the substances which you claim “have no place existing in the world.” Do some research.

bitxbitxbitcoin 6y ago

I believe it technically started as a "website for shrooms" not a "website for weed." Does that raise or lower the criminality? Because it's actually a lower schedule drug federally...