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> What would the alphabet soup even gain by doing this whole circus? They manage thesis and anti-thesis, the mainstream and the opposition. This is to say the

> What would the alphabet soup even gain by doing this whole circus? They manage thesis and anti-thesis, the mainstream and the opposition. This is to say they maintain total control over the story arc.

AllegedAlec 6y ago
That doesn't answer the question. What do they gain from it? Because to me, this seems like a fairly blatant and rather hamfisted attempt to prosecute someone for inconveniencing them. That's not the sort of action a group in complete control would have to perform.
- feralimal 6y ago
  I'll try to answer more clearly - to hell with the downvotes! Ok - if you were king of the world, would you prefer to be managing an outright challenge to your authority, or would you prefer to manage a convincing appearance of an outright challenge to your authority? Either way that challenge - Assange here - will take a lot of people's effort and energy. The people have the power but they are being managed. He becomes an idol to some of those people considered rabble rousers by the governors. (For the religious, in your mind (temple) you have accepted a false idol - while you believe it to be true you will die for that idol every day.) As a controlled opposition character, he may provide some truth - he has to be convincing - but he won't deliver. He is not really a challenge. If you have read 1984, he is 'Emmanuel Goldstein'. Its the same story as Snowden. These characters (if they are even real people and not pastiches or CGI) are controlled opposition. They are acting a role - its a performance. They are intended to draw the sting from genuine people's discomfort and distress over the way our society is being managed downhill into tyranny, to take their well intentioned energy, and to waste it, so that nothing is achieved. Governance is not just politics. It is also the media, the news and the culture. It may seem preposterous to you, but given enough time, money and inclination, it really is possible for people to run all these things. Its the reality that we live in.
  - vermilingua 6y ago
    You’re still not answering the question, because your Engsoc Inner Party in this hypothesis is making themselves look inept and inhumane on both sides. If you were right, some facet of this entire story would be showing the state to be benevolent, that is not present here.
    - feralimal 6y ago
      People are talking about benevolence and ineptitude. I'm not. I'm talking about power. Whether its benevolent or inept or amazing or whatever - its all a show and a distraction to keep you from taking the right actions in your personal life. Your experience in framed by what you see on the TV and read. 'They' are running what you think about and what you do. Rage against Golstein, the Engsoc whatever. But while you do, you are within the system, playing the game that has been predetermined for you. When it comes to real answers, I think Gwenyth Paltrow said it best :) "Conscious Uncoupling" from all the artefacts/stories of the system is required, to start to reclaim personal power.
  - gverrilla 6y ago
    I can see where you come from. But appearance organizes itself, most of the times unconscient. No individual or group has nothing even close to full control of it. In your 'king of the world' example, the king doesn't really have to take that choice: he's already king, so even before he appeared in scene the script was already being played. He was born being told he was gonna be king of the world, and learned everything in life from that perspective, which was seemed to be accepted everywhere around him. He's not responsible and not even necessarily conscious for instance of how monarchies came to be and how they work. If he doesn't know what to do or think, he has a long line of people waiting to help him out.
    - feralimal 6y ago
      "No individual or group has nothing close to full control of it." Wrong. Full control has been the case for a long time - at least 100 years, possibly thousands. History is so badly mangled however, we cannot read it, but this is evidenced everywhere... I now think that 1984 was actually more fact that fiction. Worse, our education is such that we are also trained not to observe it. We don't know anything. Really. Say, h2o - water. Find an example of someone adding these 2 gases to create water. You will see pops! and water condensation on bottles - but that is from the air itself. They cannot create water from those 2 gases! We are on a slave planet, where nothing is as it seems, where we are mostly not even aware that this is the case. If your experience and understanding of reality is overturned in the coming months or years, bear this in mind. Try not to jump to conclusions, or to lunge out at the first person you feel is to blame for your situation (police, parents, teachers, etc) - these people are as unwitting as everyone else - they believed the stories and disbelieved their own experience.
- feralimal 6y ago
  Specifically on the court element, don't forget that courts can be faked too. And for a better example of a faked court show, you need go no further than OJ Simpson. What an event that was!
  - feralimal 6y ago
    Come on! So many downvotes - but that trial spawned reality TV - it gave us the Kardashians ffs!!

AllegedAlec 6y ago

That doesn't answer the question. What do they gain from it? Because to me, this seems like a fairly blatant and rather hamfisted attempt to prosecute someone for inconveniencing them. That's not the sort of action a group in complete control would have to perform.

feralimal 6y ago
I'll try to answer more clearly - to hell with the downvotes! Ok - if you were king of the world, would you prefer to be managing an outright challenge to your authority, or would you prefer to manage a convincing appearance of an outright challenge to your authority? Either way that challenge - Assange here - will take a lot of people's effort and energy. The people have the power but they are being managed. He becomes an idol to some of those people considered rabble rousers by the governors. (For the religious, in your mind (temple) you have accepted a false idol - while you believe it to be true you will die for that idol every day.) As a controlled opposition character, he may provide some truth - he has to be convincing - but he won't deliver. He is not really a challenge. If you have read 1984, he is 'Emmanuel Goldstein'. Its the same story as Snowden. These characters (if they are even real people and not pastiches or CGI) are controlled opposition. They are acting a role - its a performance. They are intended to draw the sting from genuine people's discomfort and distress over the way our society is being managed downhill into tyranny, to take their well intentioned energy, and to waste it, so that nothing is achieved. Governance is not just politics. It is also the media, the news and the culture. It may seem preposterous to you, but given enough time, money and inclination, it really is possible for people to run all these things. Its the reality that we live in.
- vermilingua 6y ago
  You’re still not answering the question, because your Engsoc Inner Party in this hypothesis is making themselves look inept and inhumane on both sides. If you were right, some facet of this entire story would be showing the state to be benevolent, that is not present here.
  - feralimal 6y ago
    People are talking about benevolence and ineptitude. I'm not. I'm talking about power. Whether its benevolent or inept or amazing or whatever - its all a show and a distraction to keep you from taking the right actions in your personal life. Your experience in framed by what you see on the TV and read. 'They' are running what you think about and what you do. Rage against Golstein, the Engsoc whatever. But while you do, you are within the system, playing the game that has been predetermined for you. When it comes to real answers, I think Gwenyth Paltrow said it best :) "Conscious Uncoupling" from all the artefacts/stories of the system is required, to start to reclaim personal power.
- gverrilla 6y ago
  I can see where you come from. But appearance organizes itself, most of the times unconscient. No individual or group has nothing even close to full control of it. In your 'king of the world' example, the king doesn't really have to take that choice: he's already king, so even before he appeared in scene the script was already being played. He was born being told he was gonna be king of the world, and learned everything in life from that perspective, which was seemed to be accepted everywhere around him. He's not responsible and not even necessarily conscious for instance of how monarchies came to be and how they work. If he doesn't know what to do or think, he has a long line of people waiting to help him out.
  - feralimal 6y ago
    "No individual or group has nothing close to full control of it." Wrong. Full control has been the case for a long time - at least 100 years, possibly thousands. History is so badly mangled however, we cannot read it, but this is evidenced everywhere... I now think that 1984 was actually more fact that fiction. Worse, our education is such that we are also trained not to observe it. We don't know anything. Really. Say, h2o - water. Find an example of someone adding these 2 gases to create water. You will see pops! and water condensation on bottles - but that is from the air itself. They cannot create water from those 2 gases! We are on a slave planet, where nothing is as it seems, where we are mostly not even aware that this is the case. If your experience and understanding of reality is overturned in the coming months or years, bear this in mind. Try not to jump to conclusions, or to lunge out at the first person you feel is to blame for your situation (police, parents, teachers, etc) - these people are as unwitting as everyone else - they believed the stories and disbelieved their own experience.
feralimal 6y ago
Specifically on the court element, don't forget that courts can be faked too. And for a better example of a faked court show, you need go no further than OJ Simpson. What an event that was!
- feralimal 6y ago
  Come on! So many downvotes - but that trial spawned reality TV - it gave us the Kardashians ffs!!