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Most definitely cia has a history with manipulating information. But at the point of information, how do you know what to even trust at any level? Evidence can

Most definitely cia has a history with manipulating information. But at the point of information, how do you know what to even trust at any level? Evidence can be provided for anything. Information and disinformation all at the same time. This is only increasing - how will anyone be able to sort themselves out? I’m not so sure it’s possible. https://youtu.be/IQPsKvG6WMI https://youtu.be/IQPsKvG6WMI Also 60 seconds of video is a ton of information. And it’s not just one video at a time. The total session aggregated per user per active user is way higher than that. These are behaviors where users use the app all day. Their entire worldview is based on the content within the social network experience.

082349872349872 6y ago
thoughts on sorting oneself out, albeit with difficulty: seek variety of manipulated information: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24600424 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24600424 systematically analyse received information: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23897577 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23897577 analyse especially source levels: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24459177 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24459177 compare https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24403135 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24403135 and remember we may have evolved big energy-guzzling brains in order to see through primate politics.
- dfischer 6y ago
  Thank you for contributing something thoughtful and relevant among the disheartening engagements.
  - 082349872349872 6y ago
    You're welcome. In connection with Bezmenov you may find the setting of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventeen_Moments_of_Spring#Background https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventeen_Moments_of_Spring#Ba... interesting. The Arthashastra recommends never acting on intelligence which hasn't been confirmed through at least three independent channels. Russian, swiss, and US secondary sources agree on the the underlying events of that scenario. I guess if the soviets really had had a highly-placed mole like Stierlitz, they could have done more, perhaps have been subtly encouraging top nazis first to prioritise ideology over pragmatism and then to get into speed, into the occult, and into the bunker. However, I think a simpler explanation for the later events of 1945 would be: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23401308 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23401308 ==== Nighttime, 1944 Berlin: A ushanka-wearing man with skis and a parachute creeps silently along the hallway of an apartment building. He raps quickly on one of the doors. A dishelved german in nightcap and house shoes opens after a few minutes. "The eagles fly over the campfire. Repeat: the eagles fly over the campfire!" whispers the man in the hallway. "Sorry," says the german, "I'm Otto Stierlitz the plumber, born 1904. You want Otto von Stierlitz the spy, born 1899. He lives up on the third floor."

082349872349872 6y ago

thoughts on sorting oneself out, albeit with difficulty: seek variety of manipulated information: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24600424 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24600424 systematically analyse received information: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23897577 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23897577 analyse especially source levels: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24459177 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24459177 compare https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24403135 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24403135 and remember we may have evolved big energy-guzzling brains in order to see through primate politics.

dfischer 6y ago
Thank you for contributing something thoughtful and relevant among the disheartening engagements.
- 082349872349872 6y ago
  You're welcome. In connection with Bezmenov you may find the setting of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventeen_Moments_of_Spring#Background https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventeen_Moments_of_Spring#Ba... interesting. The Arthashastra recommends never acting on intelligence which hasn't been confirmed through at least three independent channels. Russian, swiss, and US secondary sources agree on the the underlying events of that scenario. I guess if the soviets really had had a highly-placed mole like Stierlitz, they could have done more, perhaps have been subtly encouraging top nazis first to prioritise ideology over pragmatism and then to get into speed, into the occult, and into the bunker. However, I think a simpler explanation for the later events of 1945 would be: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23401308 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23401308 ==== Nighttime, 1944 Berlin: A ushanka-wearing man with skis and a parachute creeps silently along the hallway of an apartment building. He raps quickly on one of the doors. A dishelved german in nightcap and house shoes opens after a few minutes. "The eagles fly over the campfire. Repeat: the eagles fly over the campfire!" whispers the man in the hallway. "Sorry," says the german, "I'm Otto Stierlitz the plumber, born 1904. You want Otto von Stierlitz the spy, born 1899. He lives up on the third floor."