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Ok, but how is Tik Tok a national security issue, but the fact that damn near every electronic device available on the market is manufactured in or out of compo

by ygjb 6y ago

Ok, but how is Tik Tok a national security issue, but the fact that damn near every electronic device available on the market is manufactured in or out of components manufactured in China doesn't seem to be one?

FractalParadigm 6y ago
It actually has been a problem before, in rather recent memory I may add [0]. China is, for all intents and purposes, a bad actor. They keep positioning themselves infinitely closer to "the line" without seemingly ever being able to cross it, even when they're caught red-handed undermining US security. [0] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-10-04/the-big-hack-how-china-used-a-tiny-chip-to-infiltrate-america-s-top-companies https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-10-04/the-big-h...
- wonnage 6y ago
  This is a poor example because it wound up being more about Bloomberg's shoddy reporting https://www.servethehome.com/investigating-implausible-bloomberg-supermicro-stories/ https://www.servethehome.com/investigating-implausible-bloom...
- the-dude 6y ago
  The Big Hack is possible the worst example you could come up with : it is regarded as fabrication, there is no proof whatsoever.
dfischer 6y ago
There’s evidence online, I don’t have it handy but a quick search found this: https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/fxgi06/not_new_news_but_tbh_if_you_have_tiktiok_just_get/?sort=top https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/fxgi06/not_new_news...
- bllguo 6y ago
  seriously? A reddit comment? By the way, they never provided any proof and even better, claimed that their laptop broke when pressed.
  - dfischer 6y ago
    Yeah, sorry I was rushing and wasn’t thinking on how much time I had to investigate. Well it’s out there... Sucks but all I know is I’ve seen it. It could be buried heavily by now. There has been infosec evidence provided. Edit: this too? Mob mentality here. Sad. Lol if this is being downvoted I have some words for you.
  - dfischer 6y ago
    “ The Chinese government and the Chinese Communist Party exert control over many forms of media in China, including newspapers and the Internet. All Chinese media, including newspapers, periodicals, news agencies, TV stations, broadcasting, the movie industry and art performances, are categorized and managed as "mouthpieces" of the Communist Party, used to manipulate public opinion and exercise "mind control" on its citizens.[70] "Mind control" includes "indoctrination from kindergarten to college through officially compiled textbooks, as all teachers are categorized as 'educators of CCP' (The Chinese Communist Party)". According to Qinglian He, a former Chinese government propagandist and now a senior researcher at Human Rights in China, by exercising "mind control", the Chinese government has misled the Chinese population about the values of human rights and democracy, and also about the truth.[71] The Propaganda and Information Leading Group is generally responsible for censorship and control of information. The unit is also one of the largest in the CCP leadership organ.[72]” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perception_management https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perception_management
belorn 6y ago
Money. It would be way too costly that all countries manufactured their own devices. A single laptop has likely hundreds of processing units, running unknown software, often with direct access to the memory buss. Building a secure devices however where every bit of code and every bit of hardware is designed domestically (and preferable in house) is so prohibitively expensive that no one do that. The hope is that if there is a security fault then someone else will find it and report it, and so a reputation system is the only economical viable method for hardware security in most consumer devices.
username90 6y ago
High end cpu's are banned from being produced overseas for exactly this reason iirc, so all of the latest tech are made in USA. China makes cheaper older gen components. Edit: Quite a lot of high end cpu are now done in Taiwan TSMC, they caught up to US capabilities. But most of intels cpu's are still made in US.
- wobblykiwi 6y ago
  Are the chips in your phone manufactured in the US?

by ygjb 6y ago

FractalParadigm 6y ago

It actually has been a problem before, in rather recent memory I may add [0]. China is, for all intents and purposes, a bad actor. They keep positioning themselves infinitely closer to "the line" without seemingly ever being able to cross it, even when they're caught red-handed undermining US security. [0] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-10-04/the-big-hack-how-china-used-a-tiny-chip-to-infiltrate-america-s-top-companies https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-10-04/the-big-h...

wonnage 6y ago
This is a poor example because it wound up being more about Bloomberg's shoddy reporting https://www.servethehome.com/investigating-implausible-bloomberg-supermicro-stories/ https://www.servethehome.com/investigating-implausible-bloom...
the-dude 6y ago
The Big Hack is possible the worst example you could come up with : it is regarded as fabrication, there is no proof whatsoever.

dfischer 6y ago

There’s evidence online, I don’t have it handy but a quick search found this: https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/fxgi06/not_new_news_but_tbh_if_you_have_tiktiok_just_get/?sort=top https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/fxgi06/not_new_news...

bllguo 6y ago
seriously? A reddit comment? By the way, they never provided any proof and even better, claimed that their laptop broke when pressed.
- dfischer 6y ago
  Yeah, sorry I was rushing and wasn’t thinking on how much time I had to investigate. Well it’s out there... Sucks but all I know is I’ve seen it. It could be buried heavily by now. There has been infosec evidence provided. Edit: this too? Mob mentality here. Sad. Lol if this is being downvoted I have some words for you.
- dfischer 6y ago
  “ The Chinese government and the Chinese Communist Party exert control over many forms of media in China, including newspapers and the Internet. All Chinese media, including newspapers, periodicals, news agencies, TV stations, broadcasting, the movie industry and art performances, are categorized and managed as "mouthpieces" of the Communist Party, used to manipulate public opinion and exercise "mind control" on its citizens.[70] "Mind control" includes "indoctrination from kindergarten to college through officially compiled textbooks, as all teachers are categorized as 'educators of CCP' (The Chinese Communist Party)". According to Qinglian He, a former Chinese government propagandist and now a senior researcher at Human Rights in China, by exercising "mind control", the Chinese government has misled the Chinese population about the values of human rights and democracy, and also about the truth.[71] The Propaganda and Information Leading Group is generally responsible for censorship and control of information. The unit is also one of the largest in the CCP leadership organ.[72]” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perception_management https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perception_management

belorn 6y ago

Money. It would be way too costly that all countries manufactured their own devices. A single laptop has likely hundreds of processing units, running unknown software, often with direct access to the memory buss. Building a secure devices however where every bit of code and every bit of hardware is designed domestically (and preferable in house) is so prohibitively expensive that no one do that. The hope is that if there is a security fault then someone else will find it and report it, and so a reputation system is the only economical viable method for hardware security in most consumer devices.

username90 6y ago

High end cpu's are banned from being produced overseas for exactly this reason iirc, so all of the latest tech are made in USA. China makes cheaper older gen components. Edit: Quite a lot of high end cpu are now done in Taiwan TSMC, they caught up to US capabilities. But most of intels cpu's are still made in US.

wobblykiwi 6y ago
Are the chips in your phone manufactured in the US?