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...being controlled by the CCP is what makes it different. All of these sites/apps have the ability to shove propaganda in the faces of millions of people, only

...being controlled by the CCP is what makes it different. All of these sites/apps have the ability to shove propaganda in the faces of millions of people, only one of them is run by a government.

FpUser 6y ago
And what prohibits any three letter agency hiring some intermediary and do the same thing on Facebook for example?
- pessimizer 6y ago
  > hiring some intermediaries There's absolutely no need. Facebook cooperates with three-letter agencies, and we expect them to.
  - FpUser 6y ago
    You seriously think that if one of those decided to influence election (for a greater good of course) you would expect direct cooperation of FB in the matter? I'd think that the guilty party should be prosecuted for doing things like that.
    - stjohnswarts 6y ago
      He's talking about handing over information, not launching a "elect the next Manchurian candidate" campaign run by the NSA.
      - FpUser 6y ago
        Then he'd completely missed my original point that was about practical inability to prevent that exact scenario - "elect the next Manchurian candidate campaign run by the NSA". I do not think juducial review will enter the picture here. I am not sure what practical legal mechanism is available to prevent such scenario. I guess it would run the risk of being exposed by some whistleblower but with the latest developments in the area the chances are that it wont.
        jacobush 6y ago
        At this point I have doubts about who employs the Manchurian candidates in the first place, people behind the big companies or the three letter agencies. There are revolving doors between them.
xvector 6y ago
> only one of them is run by a government. And the rest are run by the ultra-rich. They care about the interests of the Americans not much more than the CCP.
- aggronn 6y ago
  Taking this as true, are you suggesting we should have, instead of our (expanding on what I think you're saying) "non-democratic capitalist ologopoly", have our important companies and institutions be run the by the CCP? Two wrongs don't make a right. Work to improve our system rather than using our failures to normalize CCP oppression and violence.
  - Talanes 6y ago
    If the point is to send a message about normalizing the CCP, then Apple's gotta go too.
    - aggronn 6y ago
      Yes, there's a lot we need to be doing to put pressure on the CCP that we aren't currently doing, and it also doesn't need to be binary. There's a difference between Apple doing business in China, and a Chinese company doing business in the US. China has considerable influence on Apple, but not as much as it does on TikTok. Tim Cook's family isn't at risk of jail if he criticizes the CCP.
stjohnswarts 6y ago
The bigger thing is them dragnetting 100 million Americans for data like interests, conversations, contacts, location, private videos, etc. Not to much potential for pushing backdoors into to target individuals.
p1necone 6y ago
There are a lot of Chinese companies that do business in the USA, why is Tik Tok special?
UncleMeat 6y ago
Surely there are other websites like this. Bytedance isn't the only chinese company that exists. Should my browser not allow me to visit those websites?

...being controlled by the CCP is what makes it different. All of these sites/apps have the ability to shove propaganda in the faces of millions of people, only one of them is run by a government.

FpUser 6y ago

And what prohibits any three letter agency hiring some intermediary and do the same thing on Facebook for example?

pessimizer 6y ago
> hiring some intermediaries There's absolutely no need. Facebook cooperates with three-letter agencies, and we expect them to.
- FpUser 6y ago
  You seriously think that if one of those decided to influence election (for a greater good of course) you would expect direct cooperation of FB in the matter? I'd think that the guilty party should be prosecuted for doing things like that.
  - stjohnswarts 6y ago
    He's talking about handing over information, not launching a "elect the next Manchurian candidate" campaign run by the NSA.
    - FpUser 6y ago
      Then he'd completely missed my original point that was about practical inability to prevent that exact scenario - "elect the next Manchurian candidate campaign run by the NSA". I do not think juducial review will enter the picture here. I am not sure what practical legal mechanism is available to prevent such scenario. I guess it would run the risk of being exposed by some whistleblower but with the latest developments in the area the chances are that it wont.
      - jacobush 6y ago
        At this point I have doubts about who employs the Manchurian candidates in the first place, people behind the big companies or the three letter agencies. There are revolving doors between them.

xvector 6y ago

> only one of them is run by a government. And the rest are run by the ultra-rich. They care about the interests of the Americans not much more than the CCP.

aggronn 6y ago
Taking this as true, are you suggesting we should have, instead of our (expanding on what I think you're saying) "non-democratic capitalist ologopoly", have our important companies and institutions be run the by the CCP? Two wrongs don't make a right. Work to improve our system rather than using our failures to normalize CCP oppression and violence.
- Talanes 6y ago
  If the point is to send a message about normalizing the CCP, then Apple's gotta go too.
  - aggronn 6y ago
    Yes, there's a lot we need to be doing to put pressure on the CCP that we aren't currently doing, and it also doesn't need to be binary. There's a difference between Apple doing business in China, and a Chinese company doing business in the US. China has considerable influence on Apple, but not as much as it does on TikTok. Tim Cook's family isn't at risk of jail if he criticizes the CCP.

stjohnswarts 6y ago

The bigger thing is them dragnetting 100 million Americans for data like interests, conversations, contacts, location, private videos, etc. Not to much potential for pushing backdoors into to target individuals.

p1necone 6y ago

There are a lot of Chinese companies that do business in the USA, why is Tik Tok special?

UncleMeat 6y ago

Surely there are other websites like this. Bytedance isn't the only chinese company that exists. Should my browser not allow me to visit those websites?