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I’m more concerned about how this information was sourced. Did it get leaked from the IRS or an accountant? It feels like that part of the story is the bigger

I’m more concerned about how this information was sourced. Did it get leaked from the IRS or an accountant? It feels like that part of the story is the bigger deal. I love the NYT but this feels kind of like doxing and makes me very uncomfortable.

onetimeusename 6y ago
I think that is unclear at the moment and the NYT is not revealing it's source according to this[1]. It says they are declining to provide the tax filings to protect their sources at the bottom. [1]: https://apnews.com/article/archive-personal-taxes-donald-trump-f0e2af5f9f99de9d30dc6b9097121188 https://apnews.com/article/archive-personal-taxes-donald-tru...
- boringg 6y ago
  I saw that part too which was concerning to me. I hope it comes to light and that it is in a legal manner. I am concerned about precedent setting.
  - rsynnott 6y ago
    There’s already precedent, mentioned in the article. Nixon’s returns.
ComputerGuru 6y ago
> It feels like that part of the story is the bigger deal. and I imagine people saying just that is why they avoid all mention: they don’t want that to become the story, because that’s how strategists deflect the attention from the actual headlines.
- boringg 6y ago
  Exactly and that’s why I’m concerned about it because it robs the content of its full impact.
pravda 6y ago
>It feels like that part of the story is the bigger deal. You think that is the bigger deal? I suppose it is a variant of doxing, but it doesn't look like the NYT is going to post the actual returns, just their interpretation.
- secondcoming 6y ago
  Didn't they also post their interpretation of American history recently?
  - throwawaysea 6y ago
    Yes. With the 1619 project not only did the times publish work by a writer with a history of racism (https://thefederalist.com/2020/06/25/in-racist-screed-nyts-1619-project-founder-calls-white-race-barbaric-devils-bloodsuckers-no-different-than-hitler/ https://thefederalist.com/2020/06/25/in-racist-screed-nyts-1...), but they also ignored their own fact checkers (https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/03/06/1619-project-new-york-times-mistake-122248 https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/03/06/1619-proje...).
- boringg 6y ago
  Maybe I exaggerated a bit but for me they rob the impact of the story when others can be concerned about how the information was gained. Also it sets a bad precedent for when the dems are in power. * depending on how the information. Was gained *. And at the end of the day the information really is t anything that is all that shocking - it’s what I have (and many have) expected all along
  - pravda 6y ago
    I am reminded of the joke, "Other than that, how was the play, Mrs. Lincoln?" I know how the information was gained: someone leaked it! I am surprised it took this long. Was it an IRS employee who leaked it in violation of federal law? Was it someone at the accounting firm Trump uses? Maybe we will find out some day, maybe not. To me the most amazing revelation is that he got paid nearly HALF-A-BILLION for the Apprentice! I really think we should start taxing our OTA networks for their use of the public airwaves, if they have that much $$ to throw around.
notyourwork 6y ago
Are you uncomfortable with the method of finding the truth? I may not agree with specific methods used but if credible then the guilty are guilty.
- boringg 6y ago
  I trust the courts, even if it’s taking a long time to come out seems pretty close to it coming out in New York.
- tiziniano 6y ago
  Yeah, imagine someone did this to Obama or the Clinton Foundation.... The mediatic outrage would be unmeasurable
  - notyourwork 6y ago
    What are you suggesting? Growing up I was always told where there’s smoke there’s fire and this administration looks like it’s been smoldering since 2016.
  - relaxing 6y ago
    As I recall, the right wing had a field day with Bill Clinton’s tax write-offs. $2 for donating used underwear to charity! https://www.nytimes.com/1994/04/16/us/clinton-taxes-laid-bare-line-by-line.html https://www.nytimes.com/1994/04/16/us/clinton-taxes-laid-bar...
  - softawre 6y ago
    You mean, they released the tax information that Obama already publicly released?

onetimeusename 6y ago

I think that is unclear at the moment and the NYT is not revealing it's source according to this[1]. It says they are declining to provide the tax filings to protect their sources at the bottom. [1]: https://apnews.com/article/archive-personal-taxes-donald-trump-f0e2af5f9f99de9d30dc6b9097121188 https://apnews.com/article/archive-personal-taxes-donald-tru...

boringg 6y ago
I saw that part too which was concerning to me. I hope it comes to light and that it is in a legal manner. I am concerned about precedent setting.
- rsynnott 6y ago
  There’s already precedent, mentioned in the article. Nixon’s returns.

ComputerGuru 6y ago

> It feels like that part of the story is the bigger deal. and I imagine people saying just that is why they avoid all mention: they don’t want that to become the story, because that’s how strategists deflect the attention from the actual headlines.

boringg 6y ago
Exactly and that’s why I’m concerned about it because it robs the content of its full impact.

pravda 6y ago

>It feels like that part of the story is the bigger deal. You think that is the bigger deal? I suppose it is a variant of doxing, but it doesn't look like the NYT is going to post the actual returns, just their interpretation.

secondcoming 6y ago
Didn't they also post their interpretation of American history recently?
- throwawaysea 6y ago
  Yes. With the 1619 project not only did the times publish work by a writer with a history of racism (https://thefederalist.com/2020/06/25/in-racist-screed-nyts-1619-project-founder-calls-white-race-barbaric-devils-bloodsuckers-no-different-than-hitler/ https://thefederalist.com/2020/06/25/in-racist-screed-nyts-1...), but they also ignored their own fact checkers (https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/03/06/1619-project-new-york-times-mistake-122248 https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/03/06/1619-proje...).
boringg 6y ago
Maybe I exaggerated a bit but for me they rob the impact of the story when others can be concerned about how the information was gained. Also it sets a bad precedent for when the dems are in power. * depending on how the information. Was gained *. And at the end of the day the information really is t anything that is all that shocking - it’s what I have (and many have) expected all along
- pravda 6y ago
  I am reminded of the joke, "Other than that, how was the play, Mrs. Lincoln?" I know how the information was gained: someone leaked it! I am surprised it took this long. Was it an IRS employee who leaked it in violation of federal law? Was it someone at the accounting firm Trump uses? Maybe we will find out some day, maybe not. To me the most amazing revelation is that he got paid nearly HALF-A-BILLION for the Apprentice! I really think we should start taxing our OTA networks for their use of the public airwaves, if they have that much $$ to throw around.

notyourwork 6y ago

Are you uncomfortable with the method of finding the truth? I may not agree with specific methods used but if credible then the guilty are guilty.

boringg 6y ago
I trust the courts, even if it’s taking a long time to come out seems pretty close to it coming out in New York.
tiziniano 6y ago
Yeah, imagine someone did this to Obama or the Clinton Foundation.... The mediatic outrage would be unmeasurable
- notyourwork 6y ago
  What are you suggesting? Growing up I was always told where there’s smoke there’s fire and this administration looks like it’s been smoldering since 2016.
- relaxing 6y ago
  As I recall, the right wing had a field day with Bill Clinton’s tax write-offs. $2 for donating used underwear to charity! https://www.nytimes.com/1994/04/16/us/clinton-taxes-laid-bare-line-by-line.html https://www.nytimes.com/1994/04/16/us/clinton-taxes-laid-bar...
- softawre 6y ago
  You mean, they released the tax information that Obama already publicly released?