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I personally find X to really annoying due to it's architecture, no matter how pretty Gnome and KDE get. Just one example that happens all the time for me on l

by kgo 15y ago

I personally find X to really annoying due to it's architecture, no matter how pretty Gnome and KDE get. Just one example that happens all the time for me on linux. 1. Taskbar yells that I have updates. 2. I click the notification icon. 3. Nothing happens. No hourglass. 4. Wait. 5. Click it again. 6. No feedback. 7. Two copies of synaptic pop up. One flips out because another copy is already open. The analogous version of this never happens to me on Windows or OSX. Sure it's not the end of the world, but when weird stuff like this happens more than once a day, it gets annoying. It's like having that toilet where you need to jiggle the handle.

hollerith 15y ago
Same here: X is annoying for reasons hard for me to articulate, and the analogous part of OS X is significantly less annoying. If Canonical completes their plan to replace X with Wayland in Ubuntu, I will give Ubuntu another try. ADDED. I ran Linux for 13 years.
- krakensden 15y ago
  None of the problems he listed are caused by X, they're caused by various decisions in GTK+, Gnome, and Synaptic. Moving to Wayland won't fix any of those things. It will get you slightly faster compositing, though.
  - hollerith 15y ago
    It might be possible to fix these things without changing X, but I get the impression that it is harder to write an app that does not annoy me in X than in OS X.
mnnttl 15y ago
1.You can disable automatic updates. 2.You can remove the notification applets in the gnome-panel. 3.Probably it was a case of bad network. And hourglass belonged to Windows, you shouldn't expect it here. 4.That's what you do. Be patient. 5.You shouldn't have clicked it again because the first instance is still loading. 6.Be patient. 7.I told you, point 5. If you think that these are valid enough reasons to believe the usability of Linux is poor, I really sympathize with you. And all of this is about updating the system. When I can update Windows or OSX by just issuing a command like "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade" I will change my operating system.
- kgo 15y ago
  That was just one simple example to illustrate X goofiness. I wasn't complaining about updating in particular, I was complaining about the UI when I perform a common operation. I just want reliable feedback to say that my operation is running. It's fine if the hourglass is a windows thing, but how am I supposed to know an app is actually loading on linux then? Pull up a terminal, run 'ps -Af | grep synaptic"? Not very friendly. But if we want to stick with the update example, try opening System Preferences on OSX or the Control Panel on Windows twice. Even on purpose. It's pretty tough to do. And yet it happens to me all the time by accident on linux all the time.

by kgo 15y ago

hollerith 15y ago

Same here: X is annoying for reasons hard for me to articulate, and the analogous part of OS X is significantly less annoying. If Canonical completes their plan to replace X with Wayland in Ubuntu, I will give Ubuntu another try. ADDED. I ran Linux for 13 years.

krakensden 15y ago
None of the problems he listed are caused by X, they're caused by various decisions in GTK+, Gnome, and Synaptic. Moving to Wayland won't fix any of those things. It will get you slightly faster compositing, though.
- hollerith 15y ago
  It might be possible to fix these things without changing X, but I get the impression that it is harder to write an app that does not annoy me in X than in OS X.

mnnttl 15y ago

1.You can disable automatic updates. 2.You can remove the notification applets in the gnome-panel. 3.Probably it was a case of bad network. And hourglass belonged to Windows, you shouldn't expect it here. 4.That's what you do. Be patient. 5.You shouldn't have clicked it again because the first instance is still loading. 6.Be patient. 7.I told you, point 5. If you think that these are valid enough reasons to believe the usability of Linux is poor, I really sympathize with you. And all of this is about updating the system. When I can update Windows or OSX by just issuing a command like "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade" I will change my operating system.

kgo 15y ago
That was just one simple example to illustrate X goofiness. I wasn't complaining about updating in particular, I was complaining about the UI when I perform a common operation. I just want reliable feedback to say that my operation is running. It's fine if the hourglass is a windows thing, but how am I supposed to know an app is actually loading on linux then? Pull up a terminal, run 'ps -Af | grep synaptic"? Not very friendly. But if we want to stick with the update example, try opening System Preferences on OSX or the Control Panel on Windows twice. Even on purpose. It's pretty tough to do. And yet it happens to me all the time by accident on linux all the time.