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> raising your voice and gesticulating in their culture is really frowned upon. Where do people not frown upon that? Would you like someone raising their voice

> raising your voice and gesticulating in their culture is really frowned upon. Where do people not frown upon that? Would you like someone raising their voice and waving their arms around in front of you? > It can get pretty frustrating communicating with someone who doesn't understand. Did you try speaking their language?

vbezhenar 6y ago
When I'm watching to some Italians communicating with each other, sometimes I think that they're going to start a fight, while they're just merely chit-chatting. Cultures are very different around the world.
- pmachinery 6y ago
  Do Italians appreciate tourists in Italy angrily raising their voices and waving their arms around at them because the tourist didn't bother learning the language? That's what the other poster seems to be describing, rather than lively chit chat among friends.
  - mushbino 6y ago
    How many places can a person reasonably travel to if they have to be conversational in the local language first?
    - 082349872349872 6y ago
      Yes, no, please, thank you, and 1-10 aren't 80-20, but can go surprisingly far.
    - pmachinery 6y ago
      If you can't visit a country without shouting at the locals in your own language and waving your hands at them, while acting like it's their problem you're just another dime a dozen ignorant asshole tourist, and not the VIP you think you are, then you shouldn't be visiting anywhere. And to save any more missing the point stereotypes about Italians or New Yorkers waving their hands at each other in completely different contexts: A stranger angrily waving their hands and unintelligibly shouting things at you would be frowned upon in any culture. And that this has to be explained - again - to some people is unbelievable. I actually wasn't sure if the original post wasn't just a parody of the archetypal ignorant English-speaker abroad, since it's such a staple of comedy. Judging by the downvotes though, HN is absolutely crawling with similarly entitled egotists who blame other people for their own chronic laziness and ignorance when they condescend to grace other countries with their presence.
      - gridlockd 6y ago
        Having the floor collapse under you and then being expected to pay for it seems like a situation where angry shouting and waving would not be considered inappropriate in many cultures. On the other hand, some cultures may suppress even severe anger.
        pmachinery 6y ago
        You've rented your property out to someone who one day tells you the floor has collapsed. You don't know what happened, only that since the guest was staying there your property is now seriously damaged. Would you approve of the person who you consider damaged your property waving their arms about and shouting at you? I don't think most people would, in any culture, from New York to Boston to Italy.
        gridlockd 6y ago
        If somebody just almost died on my property and in the heat of the moment I had the nerve to ask them to pay for the damage, I would expect that kind of reaction. As a third party, I wouldn't disapprove either. Anyway, this seems to be the hill you want to die on. You shall have it.
  - 082349872349872 6y ago
    I got on much better with the sabra security at TLV after raising my voice and waving my arms around. A colleague later explained my initial beating around the bush reservation had been on the rude side by their standards, but expressing my frustration was polite honesty. (I was blunt upon departure and it went swimmingly.) Bonus clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvwpNkJd82w&t=75 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvwpNkJd82w&t=75
aidenn0 6y ago
New York? Boston?
- INTPenis 6y ago
  Are you asking if I'm from New York or Boston because I wave my arms around when I speak? No I'm from southern europe. ;) Where Bostonians and New Yorkers come from.

vbezhenar 6y ago

When I'm watching to some Italians communicating with each other, sometimes I think that they're going to start a fight, while they're just merely chit-chatting. Cultures are very different around the world.

pmachinery 6y ago
Do Italians appreciate tourists in Italy angrily raising their voices and waving their arms around at them because the tourist didn't bother learning the language? That's what the other poster seems to be describing, rather than lively chit chat among friends.
- mushbino 6y ago
  How many places can a person reasonably travel to if they have to be conversational in the local language first?
  - 082349872349872 6y ago
    Yes, no, please, thank you, and 1-10 aren't 80-20, but can go surprisingly far.
  - pmachinery 6y ago
    If you can't visit a country without shouting at the locals in your own language and waving your hands at them, while acting like it's their problem you're just another dime a dozen ignorant asshole tourist, and not the VIP you think you are, then you shouldn't be visiting anywhere. And to save any more missing the point stereotypes about Italians or New Yorkers waving their hands at each other in completely different contexts: A stranger angrily waving their hands and unintelligibly shouting things at you would be frowned upon in any culture. And that this has to be explained - again - to some people is unbelievable. I actually wasn't sure if the original post wasn't just a parody of the archetypal ignorant English-speaker abroad, since it's such a staple of comedy. Judging by the downvotes though, HN is absolutely crawling with similarly entitled egotists who blame other people for their own chronic laziness and ignorance when they condescend to grace other countries with their presence.
    - gridlockd 6y ago
      Having the floor collapse under you and then being expected to pay for it seems like a situation where angry shouting and waving would not be considered inappropriate in many cultures. On the other hand, some cultures may suppress even severe anger.
      - pmachinery 6y ago
        You've rented your property out to someone who one day tells you the floor has collapsed. You don't know what happened, only that since the guest was staying there your property is now seriously damaged. Would you approve of the person who you consider damaged your property waving their arms about and shouting at you? I don't think most people would, in any culture, from New York to Boston to Italy.
        gridlockd 6y ago
        If somebody just almost died on my property and in the heat of the moment I had the nerve to ask them to pay for the damage, I would expect that kind of reaction. As a third party, I wouldn't disapprove either. Anyway, this seems to be the hill you want to die on. You shall have it.
- 082349872349872 6y ago
  I got on much better with the sabra security at TLV after raising my voice and waving my arms around. A colleague later explained my initial beating around the bush reservation had been on the rude side by their standards, but expressing my frustration was polite honesty. (I was blunt upon departure and it went swimmingly.) Bonus clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvwpNkJd82w&t=75 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvwpNkJd82w&t=75

aidenn0 6y ago

New York? Boston?

INTPenis 6y ago
Are you asking if I'm from New York or Boston because I wave my arms around when I speak? No I'm from southern europe. ;) Where Bostonians and New Yorkers come from.