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> This, again, proves that as an educated society we need to decisively counter the for-profit lies of influential corporations. There is a fundamental problem

> This, again, proves that as an educated society we need to decisively counter the for-profit lies of influential corporations. There is a fundamental problem that may cost us severely in the not too distant future. Who do you think has or rather should have more power than corporations? The state! And who is constantly crying for a less influential state? The current US administration. As long as we as the voters do not allow the state to be the one in power but rather companies it will be companies doing whats best for them.

aeternum 6y ago
Don't we have just as much if not more power over corporations? You effectively vote for a corporation each time you do business with it. We can choose to buy zero emission cars and purchase products exclusively from environmentally friendly corporations. Corporations will either adapt or go bankrupt.
- dane-pgp 6y ago
  The difference is, with a decent voting system, it only takes 51% of the population to decide government policy, but with corporations, even 1% of the population can keep harmful corporations from bankruptcy. Even ignoring the problem of those 1% potentially being the richest 1%, there is the issue that harmful businesses often have lower costs than ethical businesses, and some consumers are too price-sensitive (or don't have time to become informed about every corporation's business practices) to vote "correctly" with their purchasing power.
  - aeternum 6y ago
    Is it right that the 51% of the population is able to coerce 100% of the population into paying higher prices for the more ethical businesses? High and mid income earners can and should choose more ethical/environmental businesses as they have the means to do so.
    - undersuit 6y ago
      >Is it right that the 51% of the population is able to coerce 100% of the population into paying higher prices for the more ethical businesses? Just from the numbers yes because the other side isnt saying more or even same but less.

aeternum 6y ago

Don't we have just as much if not more power over corporations? You effectively vote for a corporation each time you do business with it. We can choose to buy zero emission cars and purchase products exclusively from environmentally friendly corporations. Corporations will either adapt or go bankrupt.

dane-pgp 6y ago
The difference is, with a decent voting system, it only takes 51% of the population to decide government policy, but with corporations, even 1% of the population can keep harmful corporations from bankruptcy. Even ignoring the problem of those 1% potentially being the richest 1%, there is the issue that harmful businesses often have lower costs than ethical businesses, and some consumers are too price-sensitive (or don't have time to become informed about every corporation's business practices) to vote "correctly" with their purchasing power.
- aeternum 6y ago
  Is it right that the 51% of the population is able to coerce 100% of the population into paying higher prices for the more ethical businesses? High and mid income earners can and should choose more ethical/environmental businesses as they have the means to do so.
  - undersuit 6y ago
    >Is it right that the 51% of the population is able to coerce 100% of the population into paying higher prices for the more ethical businesses? Just from the numbers yes because the other side isnt saying more or even same but less.