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I think what people with enough instrumentation and metrics collection, like google, are going to find are there are teams that are 10x to 100x more productive

I think what people with enough instrumentation and metrics collection, like google, are going to find are there are teams that are 10x to 100x more productive during the pandemic and other teams that are 1/10th to 1/100th as productive during the pandemic. There's no one size fits all but for teams or people who perform WAY better in WFH having it as an option that isn't looked down upon is very comforting. I may be able to move far away from the city at some point in my career. I am extremely eager to do so and I don't think I am alone. For what I pay for rent I could be buying a large house in other parts of the US or central America

dehrmann 6y ago
> 10x to 100x Even for a company a large as Google, this seems to broad, unless something was utterly broken in the team. I'd expect a range more like .25x-4x.
- vidanay 6y ago
  In reality, it's probably more like 90% to 110%
- gravypod 6y ago
  Largely depends on the people, the team, and the area you work in. For areas that need to "just build" you'll probably see massive performance improvements. People in their internal accelerator Area 120 this is probably great for them. For people who need to play politics, get buy in, and do a lot of team-based collaboration you'll likely see a massive hit. I'm assuming this is going to really kill a lot of their internal infra stuff that needs to do a lot of meetings to make sure things are backwards compatible and get buy in on decisions. Although, I've worked with many people with very bad social anxiety who I'm guessing are doing fantastic in a work setting right now since they've developed the online communication skills from talking to a lot of people online throughout their life.
  - ThrowawayR2 6y ago
    At a FAANG company, there are seldom any "just build" areas. Anything that is being built requires design, scheduling, marketing, documentation, etc. agreement across many teams in order to put out a coherent product or service.
guenthert 6y ago
Once it has been determined that your position can be effectively filled with someone working remotely, you will be competing with all those in the same timezone/jurisdiction. If the current tolerance for remote work persists, I fully expect salaries in companies of the S.F. Bay Area to drop significantly. With a fraction of the rent, this might still work out for the employee.
- gravypod 6y ago
  Luckily I don't live in the Bay Area or California. I live outside of a major city and just deal with a longer commute most times. I'd guess the super inflated Bay Area pay is likely going to deflate but the average global pay for SWEs will inflate as those companies start looking for people who can add the same value as a local employee for a reasonable price. Where I work we've been hiring engineers from outside the US recently and we've been giving them US-like salaries which are massive jumps from previous local jobs they had in their country. I'm assuming other scrappy companies who are in a growth phase right now are doing the same. This is likely especially the case if you need to wisely allocate capital.

dehrmann 6y ago

> 10x to 100x Even for a company a large as Google, this seems to broad, unless something was utterly broken in the team. I'd expect a range more like .25x-4x.

vidanay 6y ago
In reality, it's probably more like 90% to 110%
gravypod 6y ago
Largely depends on the people, the team, and the area you work in. For areas that need to "just build" you'll probably see massive performance improvements. People in their internal accelerator Area 120 this is probably great for them. For people who need to play politics, get buy in, and do a lot of team-based collaboration you'll likely see a massive hit. I'm assuming this is going to really kill a lot of their internal infra stuff that needs to do a lot of meetings to make sure things are backwards compatible and get buy in on decisions. Although, I've worked with many people with very bad social anxiety who I'm guessing are doing fantastic in a work setting right now since they've developed the online communication skills from talking to a lot of people online throughout their life.
- ThrowawayR2 6y ago
  At a FAANG company, there are seldom any "just build" areas. Anything that is being built requires design, scheduling, marketing, documentation, etc. agreement across many teams in order to put out a coherent product or service.

guenthert 6y ago

Once it has been determined that your position can be effectively filled with someone working remotely, you will be competing with all those in the same timezone/jurisdiction. If the current tolerance for remote work persists, I fully expect salaries in companies of the S.F. Bay Area to drop significantly. With a fraction of the rent, this might still work out for the employee.

gravypod 6y ago
Luckily I don't live in the Bay Area or California. I live outside of a major city and just deal with a longer commute most times. I'd guess the super inflated Bay Area pay is likely going to deflate but the average global pay for SWEs will inflate as those companies start looking for people who can add the same value as a local employee for a reasonable price. Where I work we've been hiring engineers from outside the US recently and we've been giving them US-like salaries which are massive jumps from previous local jobs they had in their country. I'm assuming other scrappy companies who are in a growth phase right now are doing the same. This is likely especially the case if you need to wisely allocate capital.