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This means the competition will have to stomach a loss per electric car sale until they catch up to Tesla’s price advantage or not be cost competitive. Accordi
by ricw 6y ago
This means the competition will have to stomach a loss per electric car sale until they catch up to Tesla’s price advantage or not be cost competitive. According to the author Tesla was 3-4 years ahead, with a growing gap given the battery day announcement (5+ years?).
This can already be seen when looking at existing competition. VW’s ID4 compact SUV will cost $40k pre-subsidy when introduced next year, vs Tesla’s model Y at the same price.
VW itself isn’t a luxury brand, unlike Tesla, and wouldn’t normally be compared. The audis, BMWs etc would likely produce a more expensive car. The most comparable luxury brand cars are Porsche’s taycan which starts at $100k vs Tesla’s model S at ~$75k, polestar (Volvos electric brand), Jaguar I-pace, Audi etron etc which are all substantially more expensive while typically delivering less range and a worse software experience (which i’d say is the new panel gap).
All in all this looks to me very much like the smart phone transition when apple and Samsung/google took over the market. Maybe 1-2 of the old guard will survive, with everyone else ending in the slaughterhouse.
- lern_too_spel 6y agoID.4 comes with three years of free charging and with all of its pieces attached.
- shiftpgdn 6y agoMy wife took delivery of a tiguan in 2013 that had a fender painted a different color and loosely attached.
- clouddrover 6y ago> This means the competition will have to stomach a loss per electric car sale until they catch up to Tesla’s price advantage or not be cost competitive. The Renault Zoe has outsold all Tesla models combined in Europe so far this year: https://ev-sales.blogspot.com/2020/09/europe-august-2020.html https://ev-sales.blogspot.com/2020/09/europe-august-2020.htm... And the Porsche Taycan and the Audi e-tron (both Volkswagen brands) have outsold the Model S and Model X.
- maxerickson 6y agoSo setting aside brand weight, how will the fit and finish on the VW compare to the fit and finish on the Tesla? Is it gonna be full of cheaper materials and be poorly assembled?
- oblio 6y agoKnowing VW, it's probably going to be assembled well. Edit: Why is this downvoted? :-))
- leetcrew 6y agobest guess is VW is particularly unpopular on this forum due to dieselgate. your comment would probably get voted back up eventually if you hadn't mentioned the downvotes though.
- leetcrew 6y ago> So setting aside brand weight, how will the fit and finish on the VW compare to the fit and finish on the Tesla? how can you set aside brand weight in this question? isn't VW's reputation pretty much the only thing we can take into account when speculating about a future vehicle? based on VW's reputation and personal experience, I would expect the fit and finish on a VW to be a good bit better than the model 3. at the same time, I wouldn't be shocked if they cut a few corners to hit a competitive price point.
- maxerickson 6y agoI'm pushing back on the idea that comparing Tesla to VW is somehow generous to VW.
- leetcrew 6y agoah okay, I guess I'm not the target audience then. I kinda just expect flashy bling from tesla, though don't get me wrong, they can be really fun to drive. "attention to detail" is the first thing that comes to mind with VW.
- x87678r 6y agoTesla isn't really a luxury brand either any more. The 3 & Y interiors are much lower standard than luxury brands.
- Shivetya 6y agoI never understood why people make this comparison, they are in the same market at BMW 3s, Audi 3/4, and such. Sorry, but if you have been in them they are of similar quality, let alone road noise. Spartan modern interior does not equate to cheap. When I first drove the TM3 home I was worried about the lack of individual controls but totally forgot the concern before my forty mile trip home completed. Now each car I look at I wonder, what were we thinking, forty plus buttons and some combined with byzantine touch screen controls, as being a good idea. My test to everyone is always the same. Put a sticky on every button in your car, you will be surprised how many there are, then take them off as you use the control. How many days if not weeks before even half are gone?
- leetcrew 6y agoany feature I'm likely to use while driving should get a hard button that I can press without looking. if the tradeoff is that I end up with a bunch of buttons that I never use, I'm good with that.
- mensetmanusman 6y agoMaybe this will be true when there is a good alternative electric vehicle. Until then, Tesla is the only one.
- new_realist 6y agoModel Y is $44K on Tesla's website.
- sgerenser 6y agoThat’s the bogus price with “gas savings” included. Actual price is $49,900, unless you want a color other than white then tack on another $1k-$2k.