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I was never a fan of meeting these monstrous F-150s in an urban setting as a pedestrian. However, linking "Rural" to the right to drive a pickup is still a bit

I was never a fan of meeting these monstrous F-150s in an urban setting as a pedestrian. However, linking "Rural" to the right to drive a pickup is still a bit cringeworthy IMO. Most NYC urbanites I know e.g. wouldn't describe Staten Island or most/all of New Jersey as densley populated. Yet, the workers/contractors that can't afford to live in the center or dumbo have to get their tools into the city somehow, if they are to fix my 150k+/year income earning friends condos. So now I found your stats intriguing and looking into it: That alledged 72% urban area inhabitants include non-dense areas like staten island and NJ, so I guess the stats are a bit misleading?

bumby 6y ago
>linking "Rural" to the right to drive a pickup is still a bit cringeworthy IMO. Can you please show where this point was stated? It seems like you are reading between the lines too much and straw manning. The point is that “urban” by the definition used to create the statistic in the argument is a very broad term and this makes it difficult to draw good generalizations. I don’t think a claim for “needing personal transportation with a large range” should be equated to “must be using pickups as commuter vehicles”
- woodpanel 6y ago
  Can you please show where this point was stated? Sure: but smaller, lighter, and slower vehicles are a viable option for most American as a response to So much of what is toxic about cars and car culture could be fixed by downsizing and slowing them. […] I wish north america would fully get on board with these small EVs Not much of a strawman to me, rather good old urbanite-intellectual disregard for the life-styles/social classes driving these big vehicles. makes it difficult to draw good generalizations. Agreed, which is why I would refrain to claim that 80% of Americans live in areas with a density above 50k. As the census noted, this is clearly not the case if e.g. Staten Island has a density of 8k.
  - bumby 6y ago
    Ah ok, I think you meant to respond to the comment one level up. Regardless, thanks for clarifying
supportlocal4h 6y ago
You object to meeting an F-150? How do you feel about a John Deere 6R? That's my kind of rural.
- woodpanel 6y ago
  I'm sorry, I confused the F-150 with the F-650. When I'm in the US, and get the chance to walk around some city's blocks, these things are nothing but intimidating to me. Being rather tall, I'm not used to cross a traffic light as pedestrian and not being able to see above the hood of the car I'm passing. It has a different vibe to it, if this towering above me isn't caused by the vehicle owner's commercial needs but because the driver fancies it.
  - bumby 6y ago
    It’s fairly common to see F150s as regular commuter vehicles but anything larger tends to be bought with work in mind. Once you get above an F350 it’s pretty much purpose-built (construction, recreational vehicles etc.) and I don’t know anybody (including those from west Texas) who’d primarily use these as a commuter vehicle. By any measure an F650 is relatively rare and huge

bumby 6y ago

>linking "Rural" to the right to drive a pickup is still a bit cringeworthy IMO. Can you please show where this point was stated? It seems like you are reading between the lines too much and straw manning. The point is that “urban” by the definition used to create the statistic in the argument is a very broad term and this makes it difficult to draw good generalizations. I don’t think a claim for “needing personal transportation with a large range” should be equated to “must be using pickups as commuter vehicles”

woodpanel 6y ago
Can you please show where this point was stated? Sure: but smaller, lighter, and slower vehicles are a viable option for most American as a response to So much of what is toxic about cars and car culture could be fixed by downsizing and slowing them. […] I wish north america would fully get on board with these small EVs Not much of a strawman to me, rather good old urbanite-intellectual disregard for the life-styles/social classes driving these big vehicles. makes it difficult to draw good generalizations. Agreed, which is why I would refrain to claim that 80% of Americans live in areas with a density above 50k. As the census noted, this is clearly not the case if e.g. Staten Island has a density of 8k.
- bumby 6y ago
  Ah ok, I think you meant to respond to the comment one level up. Regardless, thanks for clarifying

supportlocal4h 6y ago

You object to meeting an F-150? How do you feel about a John Deere 6R? That's my kind of rural.

woodpanel 6y ago
I'm sorry, I confused the F-150 with the F-650. When I'm in the US, and get the chance to walk around some city's blocks, these things are nothing but intimidating to me. Being rather tall, I'm not used to cross a traffic light as pedestrian and not being able to see above the hood of the car I'm passing. It has a different vibe to it, if this towering above me isn't caused by the vehicle owner's commercial needs but because the driver fancies it.
- bumby 6y ago
  It’s fairly common to see F150s as regular commuter vehicles but anything larger tends to be bought with work in mind. Once you get above an F350 it’s pretty much purpose-built (construction, recreational vehicles etc.) and I don’t know anybody (including those from west Texas) who’d primarily use these as a commuter vehicle. By any measure an F650 is relatively rare and huge