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More specifically, slowing them in zones where they share space with pedestrians (and bicycles). You can go 150kph in highway and its still safe (as safe as 120

More specifically, slowing them in zones where they share space with pedestrians (and bicycles). You can go 150kph in highway and its still safe (as safe as 120). But in a city, speed limits of 30 would slash pedestrian and cyclist fatalities. Accidents, when they happen, would be mostly nonfatal.

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rtpg 6y ago
It’s untrue that highways are “just as safe at 150”. There are a couple studies looking at the results of various states upping the speed limit on highways. The conclusion is the intuitive one: more accidents and more likelihood of fatalities.
- rasz 6y ago
  Is that a car problem or people problem tho? Compare those statistics to Germany Autobahns. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_limits_in_Germany#Accident_statistics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_limits_in_Germany#Accide... Maybe joke driver licenses, no vehicle inspections and joke technical requirements are to blame? You can get a license after self declaring doing the "course" with your dad and taking 10 minute round around School parking lot, and them go ahead and legally register LS engine strapped to a shopping cart. Mah freeeedums etc.
  - Igelau 6y ago
    Maybe in your state it's that easy. Not in this one.
    - rasz 6y ago
      Are there state border crossings doing additional inspections I am unaware of? Just to make a more concrete example, washing out salvage title in Oklahoma comes down to showing up at the DMV and getting a stamp. >Change of classification. Vehicles over 10 model years old may go in to, or come out of, salvage at any time. _No inspection is required to bring such vehicles out of salvage_. >Out-of-state salvage titles. Vehicles over 10 model years old entering Oklahoma with an out-of-state salvage title may receive either a salvage title or standard (green) title with a salvage date listed. For comparison in Germany you can lose registration title for mounting non TÜV certified spoiler/bumper/hood.
      - Igelau 6y ago
        I was unclear. In my head I was specifically asking about: but it > You can get a license after self declaring doing the "course" with your dad and taking 10 minute round around School parking lot I don't think it's that easy anywhere.
        laurencerowe 6y ago
        It’s not far off. My driving test in San Francisco was a couple of manoeuvres in the parking lot and a drive around the block.
        projektfu 6y ago
        New York has a much more difficult road test, but nothing to the level of a British one. Coming from NY, I always thought it was ridiculous that you could be licensed without showing that you can drive in traffic. But it’s not like New Yorkers have a reputation for good driving, so it’s not a big part of the solution.
        rasz 6y ago
        Can you describe drivers license procedure in your state? Is there a state licensed drivers ed training course required? How long is it (hours) and what is the division between theory traffic law best practices basic physics basic car knowledge and practice basic vehicle roadworthy check - fluids, lights pre drive preparation - setting up mirrors/seat/headrest, fastening seatbelts parking lot maneuvers - parallel parking, reversing, stopping and starting on a slope city driving and the same for the final test?
  - Sohcahtoa82 6y ago
    > LS engine For the people that aren't car people, the "LS" engine is Chevy's V8 that goes into a Corvette.
kennywinker 6y ago
I hear what you're saying, but I don't actually think speed limits solve the problem. There are parts of the downtown core in my city that have 30kph speed limits, but cars regularly drive 60kph anyway. The only effective way to lower the speed of drivers in shared spaces would be electronic speed limiting, or (perhaps simultaneously) a transition to low speed vehicles.
- burlesona 6y ago
  This is actually not true, the speeding cars are at least equally a street design failure. https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2019/1/8/new-20-mph-street https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2019/1/8/new-20-mph-stre...
  - kennywinker 6y ago
    Instead of redesigning ALL of our streets to trick drivers to slow down, we could just IDK, slow the cars down? Seems simpler to me tbh.
    - giancarlostoro 6y ago
      And now you either have to convince everyone to change their cars or their engines in their cars. These things will not go over well with those in poverty.
  - Igelau 6y ago
    Yeah that "safer street" is still going to get hit at 50 miles an hour by a lot of people.
- stefan_ 6y ago
  ...so lets do that? Your toy drone from Amazon can't fly near an airport, why would your 50k car accelerate past the limit in a city.
  - rootusrootus 6y ago

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rtpg 6y ago

It’s untrue that highways are “just as safe at 150”. There are a couple studies looking at the results of various states upping the speed limit on highways. The conclusion is the intuitive one: more accidents and more likelihood of fatalities.

rasz 6y ago
Is that a car problem or people problem tho? Compare those statistics to Germany Autobahns. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_limits_in_Germany#Accident_statistics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_limits_in_Germany#Accide... Maybe joke driver licenses, no vehicle inspections and joke technical requirements are to blame? You can get a license after self declaring doing the "course" with your dad and taking 10 minute round around School parking lot, and them go ahead and legally register LS engine strapped to a shopping cart. Mah freeeedums etc.
- Igelau 6y ago
  Maybe in your state it's that easy. Not in this one.
  - rasz 6y ago
    Are there state border crossings doing additional inspections I am unaware of? Just to make a more concrete example, washing out salvage title in Oklahoma comes down to showing up at the DMV and getting a stamp. >Change of classification. Vehicles over 10 model years old may go in to, or come out of, salvage at any time. _No inspection is required to bring such vehicles out of salvage_. >Out-of-state salvage titles. Vehicles over 10 model years old entering Oklahoma with an out-of-state salvage title may receive either a salvage title or standard (green) title with a salvage date listed. For comparison in Germany you can lose registration title for mounting non TÜV certified spoiler/bumper/hood.
    - Igelau 6y ago
      I was unclear. In my head I was specifically asking about: but it > You can get a license after self declaring doing the "course" with your dad and taking 10 minute round around School parking lot I don't think it's that easy anywhere.
      - laurencerowe 6y ago
        It’s not far off. My driving test in San Francisco was a couple of manoeuvres in the parking lot and a drive around the block.
        projektfu 6y ago
        New York has a much more difficult road test, but nothing to the level of a British one. Coming from NY, I always thought it was ridiculous that you could be licensed without showing that you can drive in traffic. But it’s not like New Yorkers have a reputation for good driving, so it’s not a big part of the solution.
      - rasz 6y ago
        Can you describe drivers license procedure in your state? Is there a state licensed drivers ed training course required? How long is it (hours) and what is the division between theory traffic law best practices basic physics basic car knowledge and practice basic vehicle roadworthy check - fluids, lights pre drive preparation - setting up mirrors/seat/headrest, fastening seatbelts parking lot maneuvers - parallel parking, reversing, stopping and starting on a slope city driving and the same for the final test?
- Sohcahtoa82 6y ago
  > LS engine For the people that aren't car people, the "LS" engine is Chevy's V8 that goes into a Corvette.

kennywinker 6y ago

I hear what you're saying, but I don't actually think speed limits solve the problem. There are parts of the downtown core in my city that have 30kph speed limits, but cars regularly drive 60kph anyway. The only effective way to lower the speed of drivers in shared spaces would be electronic speed limiting, or (perhaps simultaneously) a transition to low speed vehicles.

burlesona 6y ago
This is actually not true, the speeding cars are at least equally a street design failure. https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2019/1/8/new-20-mph-street https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2019/1/8/new-20-mph-stre...
- kennywinker 6y ago
  Instead of redesigning ALL of our streets to trick drivers to slow down, we could just IDK, slow the cars down? Seems simpler to me tbh.
  - giancarlostoro 6y ago
    And now you either have to convince everyone to change their cars or their engines in their cars. These things will not go over well with those in poverty.
- Igelau 6y ago
  Yeah that "safer street" is still going to get hit at 50 miles an hour by a lot of people.
stefan_ 6y ago
...so lets do that? Your toy drone from Amazon can't fly near an airport, why would your 50k car accelerate past the limit in a city.
- rootusrootus 6y ago