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The Smart car brand failed in the US, and the Fiat 500 will be discontinued in the US. Americans just don't like small cars, (for obvious reasons, as if you ar

The Smart car brand failed in the US, and the Fiat 500 will be discontinued in the US. Americans just don't like small cars, (for obvious reasons, as if you are driving next to F-250 and GM Silverados, your car will feel unsafe). Also, in Cities, registration/parking/insurance cost quiet a bit, and those cars are usually charged full prices for parking. So, even in metro areas, the difference in total cost between a 13k (super small car) and a 23k midsize/compact car are not that much. If they have to go to the hassle of owning a car, folks in metro areas in the US, prefer a size up Now, in europe is a total difference. If you have driven in some Italian towns, you would understand that anything larger than a Toyta Corolla/Honda civic, would not fit in many streets and parking would be super hard. By necessity, you have to go down a size. I know, when I was looking to buy a car for my parent's home in Albania, I had to choose the smallest crossover possible, otherwise it wont be comfortable to drive in the tight roads of my neighborhood. (even VW Tiguan, would be too large).

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sudosysgen 6y ago
I mean, that's true, but at 4320$ I can't help but believe that there would be a sizeable market for it in the US.
- pwinnski 6y ago
  At that price, they won't pass us crash-safety tests. Look at the British mini and compare it to the Cooper mini that ended up for sale here. And that's British vs US safety standards. I've spent enough time in China to know that the difference there would be even more extreme.
- markdown 6y ago
  At those prices, there are vastly bigger addressable markets elsewhere.
- tsomctl 6y ago
  What's the demographic? If you can only afford a $4320 car, you're buying a 20 year old junker. (They aren't that expensive to maintain, if you only fix the drivetrain and safety parts. Find a shade tree mechanic (like me) that only charges $25 an hour.) If you can afford a more expensive car, the $4320 is going to be miserable to drive. Vague steering, poor brakes, terrible wind and tire noise, stiff suspension, uncomfortable seats, plasticy interior that rattles.
  - sudosysgen 6y ago
    You're missing two key points, it's electric, and therefore doesn't need gas, and it's new, and therefore doesn't need much maintenance (plus being electrict). It would be, by far, the cheapest way to own a car, and would be green to boot. Also, I'm not convinced the car is that bad, from the reviews I've read.
- 01100011 6y ago
  I'd buy one. The safety concerns people raise in this thread are worthy of discussion, but it is at least as safe as a motorcycle(cue the pedantic HN argument in 3..2..1..).
  - sudosysgen 6y ago
    I would also buy it, but strictly only for city driving where safety concerns aren't nearly as big of a deal. And yes, it's going to be safer than a motorcycle anywhere outside a highway.
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bash-j 6y ago
Compact cars are popular in Australia, even though we have big open roads and most people live in the suburbs. I think running costs are a big factor in choosing a car, if you are comparing between 5L per 100KM and 15L per 100KM, and the price of petrol is around $1.40 per litre ($3.70 USD per gallon). Registration and insurance is also more expensive the bigger the engine. Once popular sedans like the Holden Commodore and Ford Falcon have all but died out, as people no longer wanted a petrol guzzling 6 or 8 cylinder engine. I think an electric car the size of a Toyota Yaris / Honda Jazz would be a big hit in Australia, since that category has been popular for decades. Whereas I think the only popular sedan nowadays would be the Camry, and they are mainly used for taxis. Family cars tend to be SUVs with underpowered petrol or diesel engines to try and get the fuel economy, even if it struggles to climb hills. Another big seller I think would be a plug in hybrid ute similar to a Hilux, since they are the main vehicles used by tradies. If you could get maybe 100 - 200km of travel using electric only and then petrol for the rest, I think that would be suitable for people who mainly work in metropolitan areas. You could also use the battery instead of carrying a petrol generator.
- ben-schaaf 6y ago
  > I think an electric car the size of a Toyota Yaris / Honda Jazz would be a big hit in Australia, since that category has been popular for decades. I agree, but clearly it needs to come from the right brand. Renault currently sells the Zoe in Australia but it doesn't look like they're selling a lot - Renault's aren't popular in Australia and only have a few dealerships.
alacombe 6y ago
A student in my gf class got killed during commute in a morning as he exceptionally drove an old beater instead of his pick-up. A full-size transport truck crashed into it. He would probably still be alive had he been driving his pick-up.

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sudosysgen 6y ago

I mean, that's true, but at 4320$ I can't help but believe that there would be a sizeable market for it in the US.

pwinnski 6y ago
At that price, they won't pass us crash-safety tests. Look at the British mini and compare it to the Cooper mini that ended up for sale here. And that's British vs US safety standards. I've spent enough time in China to know that the difference there would be even more extreme.
markdown 6y ago
At those prices, there are vastly bigger addressable markets elsewhere.
tsomctl 6y ago
What's the demographic? If you can only afford a $4320 car, you're buying a 20 year old junker. (They aren't that expensive to maintain, if you only fix the drivetrain and safety parts. Find a shade tree mechanic (like me) that only charges $25 an hour.) If you can afford a more expensive car, the $4320 is going to be miserable to drive. Vague steering, poor brakes, terrible wind and tire noise, stiff suspension, uncomfortable seats, plasticy interior that rattles.
- sudosysgen 6y ago
  You're missing two key points, it's electric, and therefore doesn't need gas, and it's new, and therefore doesn't need much maintenance (plus being electrict). It would be, by far, the cheapest way to own a car, and would be green to boot. Also, I'm not convinced the car is that bad, from the reviews I've read.
01100011 6y ago
I'd buy one. The safety concerns people raise in this thread are worthy of discussion, but it is at least as safe as a motorcycle(cue the pedantic HN argument in 3..2..1..).
- sudosysgen 6y ago
  I would also buy it, but strictly only for city driving where safety concerns aren't nearly as big of a deal. And yes, it's going to be safer than a motorcycle anywhere outside a highway.

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bash-j 6y ago

Compact cars are popular in Australia, even though we have big open roads and most people live in the suburbs. I think running costs are a big factor in choosing a car, if you are comparing between 5L per 100KM and 15L per 100KM, and the price of petrol is around $1.40 per litre ($3.70 USD per gallon). Registration and insurance is also more expensive the bigger the engine. Once popular sedans like the Holden Commodore and Ford Falcon have all but died out, as people no longer wanted a petrol guzzling 6 or 8 cylinder engine. I think an electric car the size of a Toyota Yaris / Honda Jazz would be a big hit in Australia, since that category has been popular for decades. Whereas I think the only popular sedan nowadays would be the Camry, and they are mainly used for taxis. Family cars tend to be SUVs with underpowered petrol or diesel engines to try and get the fuel economy, even if it struggles to climb hills. Another big seller I think would be a plug in hybrid ute similar to a Hilux, since they are the main vehicles used by tradies. If you could get maybe 100 - 200km of travel using electric only and then petrol for the rest, I think that would be suitable for people who mainly work in metropolitan areas. You could also use the battery instead of carrying a petrol generator.

ben-schaaf 6y ago
> I think an electric car the size of a Toyota Yaris / Honda Jazz would be a big hit in Australia, since that category has been popular for decades. I agree, but clearly it needs to come from the right brand. Renault currently sells the Zoe in Australia but it doesn't look like they're selling a lot - Renault's aren't popular in Australia and only have a few dealerships.

alacombe 6y ago

A student in my gf class got killed during commute in a morning as he exceptionally drove an old beater instead of his pick-up. A full-size transport truck crashed into it. He would probably still be alive had he been driving his pick-up.