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I'm expecting MS/linux in 5 years or less and I think WSL is the first step.

by drbojingle 6y ago

jdc 6y ago
Other than the license and ecosystem, isn't the Windows kernel broadly superior?
- userspacethread 6y ago
  This is an interesting claim, is there something I can read in support of it? Having worked with the Linux OS APIs and Win32 APIs, they both seem to have their advantages.
- sidecut 6y ago
  Microsoft already has a Linux kernel. https://github.com/microsoft/WSL2-Linux-Kernel https://github.com/microsoft/WSL2-Linux-Kernel If it were superior for containers, Windows containers wouldn't have withered on the vine. .NET Core being truly cross-platform is pretty much an official acknowledgement by Microsoft that Windows is not the be-all and end-all. To use their words, they're "meeting developers where they live" instead of insisting that one size fits all, if that size is Windows.
- Lammy 6y ago
  Without a userland or application ecosystem how could one even say?
- drbojingle 6y ago
  superior how?
pier25 6y ago
You mean like a Linux distro with Windows desktop environment?
- drbojingle 6y ago
  pretty much.
thesuperbigfrog 6y ago
A Microsoft Linux distribution would be very interesting. Maybe PowerShell would be the default command-line interface. VS Code would be the default text editor. .NET Core programming languages would be in the default SDK with the ability to seamlessly develop applications and push to Azure. They could even include a way to run legacy Windows applications to maintain backward compatibility with all the previous Windows applications--a Windows subsystem for Linux. Seriously though, if Microsoft created a full desktop Linux distro I would definitely want to try it.
- SSLy 6y ago
  >Maybe PowerShell would be the default command-line interface. You have no idea how much stuff expects the shell to behave like bourne shell.
  - thesuperbigfrog 6y ago
    >> You have no idea how much stuff expects the shell to behave like bourne shell. Would you please elaborate what you mean by this statement? The C shell (csh / tcsh) and the Korn shell (ksh) don't follow Bourne shell conventions and yet they work fine as login shells and script interpreters. It seems logical that PowerShell could be further adapted to be more Unix-like with "read" and "print" functions that would attempt to bridge the object / plaintext divide similar to the "read" and "print" functions that are used in Lisp-like languages to convert between Lisp-like forms and plaintext.
fomine3 6y ago
I expect it is now called Ubuntu.
- drbojingle 6y ago
  If MS owns, funds, and brands it then sure.

I'm expecting MS/linux in 5 years or less and I think WSL is the first step.

jdc 6y ago

Other than the license and ecosystem, isn't the Windows kernel broadly superior?

userspacethread 6y ago
This is an interesting claim, is there something I can read in support of it? Having worked with the Linux OS APIs and Win32 APIs, they both seem to have their advantages.
sidecut 6y ago
Microsoft already has a Linux kernel. https://github.com/microsoft/WSL2-Linux-Kernel https://github.com/microsoft/WSL2-Linux-Kernel If it were superior for containers, Windows containers wouldn't have withered on the vine. .NET Core being truly cross-platform is pretty much an official acknowledgement by Microsoft that Windows is not the be-all and end-all. To use their words, they're "meeting developers where they live" instead of insisting that one size fits all, if that size is Windows.
Lammy 6y ago
Without a userland or application ecosystem how could one even say?
drbojingle 6y ago
superior how?

pier25 6y ago

You mean like a Linux distro with Windows desktop environment?

drbojingle 6y ago
pretty much.

thesuperbigfrog 6y ago

A Microsoft Linux distribution would be very interesting. Maybe PowerShell would be the default command-line interface. VS Code would be the default text editor. .NET Core programming languages would be in the default SDK with the ability to seamlessly develop applications and push to Azure. They could even include a way to run legacy Windows applications to maintain backward compatibility with all the previous Windows applications--a Windows subsystem for Linux. Seriously though, if Microsoft created a full desktop Linux distro I would definitely want to try it.

SSLy 6y ago
>Maybe PowerShell would be the default command-line interface. You have no idea how much stuff expects the shell to behave like bourne shell.
- thesuperbigfrog 6y ago
  >> You have no idea how much stuff expects the shell to behave like bourne shell. Would you please elaborate what you mean by this statement? The C shell (csh / tcsh) and the Korn shell (ksh) don't follow Bourne shell conventions and yet they work fine as login shells and script interpreters. It seems logical that PowerShell could be further adapted to be more Unix-like with "read" and "print" functions that would attempt to bridge the object / plaintext divide similar to the "read" and "print" functions that are used in Lisp-like languages to convert between Lisp-like forms and plaintext.

fomine3 6y ago

I expect it is now called Ubuntu.

drbojingle 6y ago
If MS owns, funds, and brands it then sure.