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Ask HN: Greek Genocide Discussion Shadowbanned?
The submission on the Greek genocide committed by the Ottoman Empire in 1914-1922 that claimed 450k-750k lives [1,2] was placed ~34th on HN (7 votes in ~40 minutes). About ten minutes later it was gone, and couldn't be found among the first 300 submissions, despite the story not being flagged.
Since discussion of the 1921 Tulsa race riot that took place at the same time seems to have been allowed [3], I assumed this story was also within the rules. Is this not the case?
[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24600458
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_genocide
[3] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22221180
- ev1 6y agoPeople might not be interested in it. If no one cares, and several downvote, then it's gone, probably.
- rbecker 6y agoIf people aren't interested, submissions slowly slide down the rankings - they don't suddenly disappear.
- encom 6y agoDownvote submissions? Is that tied to "karma", or whatever we call our internet points on HN? Cause I can't do that. Only comments.
- dang 6y agoThere are no downvotes on submissions. Flags do have downweighting effects, once a certain threshold of flags has been crossed.
- ncmncm 6y agoI have seen this with other stories. Not being upvoted doesn't account for the rate of disappearance. I would like to know more about how uncontroversial postings (e.g. astronomical discoveries) vanish so suddenly, sometimes in seconds. Do moderators decide a story is just not interesting enough to stay?
- gus_massa 6y agoDo you have an example? Note that the mods cherrypick a small amount of stories and send them to the front page for a short time. Perhaps you saw one of this stories? More details explained by dang in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10705926 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10705926 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11662380 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11662380
- dang 6y agoSometimes it's moderation, sometimes (more often) it's user flags, sometimes it's software affecting things. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html
- tsegratis 6y agoImportance, value, and HN rankings are three different things Front page average votes as I count them now is several multiples above 7 votes
- gus_massa 6y agoSend an email to the mods hn@ycombinator.com , they usually reply soon. I don't think this is shadowbanning. I have another definition of shadowbanning. A post with a few flags get a small penalty, and with more flags it gets a [flagged] label and more penalty, and with even more flags it is autokilled. Perhaps the post got only a few flags? Perhaps you are overestimating the normal decay? About the Tulsa riot, this site has a lot of users from USA (60%?), so it has a USA bias. [Hi from Argentina!] Post related to other countries sometimes get ignored. Also, there is a bias for current events, and things related to current events. If tomorrow Turkey decides to bomb Athens, my guess is a repost would get more traction. (But I hope we can never test my hypothesis.)
- dang 6y agoUsers flagged it. That's the usual answer to this question.