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I'll have to disagree. I just threw this together in about a minute or two [0]. That being said, I am using it on Linux, so it follows my GTK theme. It also is

I'll have to disagree. I just threw this together in about a minute or two [0]. That being said, I am using it on Linux, so it follows my GTK theme. It also is a fairly up to date version, so it's possible the UX changed. [0] http://a-shared-404.com/other-stuff/temp/Test.odp http://a-shared-404.com/other-stuff/temp/Test.odp (Link is going to go dead at some point in the future, but I'll make sure it's up for a week or so at least.)

tgsovlerkhgsel 6y ago
Of course it's possible to use it. It's not effective though. By "couldn't", I didn't mean "its not possible". I was saying "I couldn't bring myself to use this tool because the experience was so bad". It's the difference between focusing on what to put in my presentation, and having to focus on fighting my tools. For example, it's possible to change the brush size and hardness in GIMP, and you can even configure shortcuts to do it faster... but Photoshop's "Alt+RightMouse" quick-change mode is just an order of magnitude faster and nicer (https://youtu.be/vG5QOzODCBs?t=45 https://youtu.be/vG5QOzODCBs?t=45). It feels like everything in most open source tools takes just a few extra clicks, just a little bit extra attention, just adds a little bit extra pain, that makes the overall experience incredibly frustrating. And when you point this out, you're usually told that you should instead stop doing your work and fix the broken tools yourself.
- throwaway_pdp09 6y ago
  Simple solution: pay for MS office instead. > And when you point this out, you're usually told that you should instead stop doing your work and fix the broken tools yourself. show us an example of you being told to do this.
  - tgsovlerkhgsel 6y ago
    Unfortunately, I'm running Linux for a long list of reasons, which limits my options (yes, Wine is an option, but I've tried that with Notepad++ and the result is a UX that's almost as bad as using LibreOffice/GIMP straight away. Otherwise I'd have certainly gotten both MS Office and some older version of Photoshop.
    - throwaway_pdp09 6y ago
      Use virtualbox.
  - ikerdanzel 6y ago
    Yeah. I paid subscription for that even though using linux...vm Windows. The fixed yourself is a common reply when complaining about the free tools.....though to be precise, usually it is polite and phrased as "...contribute to the project...". This is so common, it is very well understood among general public that is tech savvy but not at programmers level, no example need to be shown. A mere quick mention/reference is more than enough.
    - throwaway_pdp09 6y ago
      > and phrased as "...contribute to the project...". Reasonable enough. You could pay them. I did. > no example need to be shown Nope, show me on LibreOffice's bug reports where they say that. You want stuff for free, but so many won't contribute, won't pay, expect first class service without giving anything in return.
- Shared404 6y ago
  I've never used Impress before today, except once when I need to adjust some PDF's and I opened them in the wrong tool. I've only ever used Docs seriously. Clearly the UI cannot be that bad. Edit: Also, nothing I wanted was more than one click away. Edit 2: There's nothing wrong with disliking a piece of software, but it does seem disingenuous to just flat out say it's bad.

tgsovlerkhgsel 6y ago

Of course it's possible to use it. It's not effective though. By "couldn't", I didn't mean "its not possible". I was saying "I couldn't bring myself to use this tool because the experience was so bad". It's the difference between focusing on what to put in my presentation, and having to focus on fighting my tools. For example, it's possible to change the brush size and hardness in GIMP, and you can even configure shortcuts to do it faster... but Photoshop's "Alt+RightMouse" quick-change mode is just an order of magnitude faster and nicer (https://youtu.be/vG5QOzODCBs?t=45 https://youtu.be/vG5QOzODCBs?t=45). It feels like everything in most open source tools takes just a few extra clicks, just a little bit extra attention, just adds a little bit extra pain, that makes the overall experience incredibly frustrating. And when you point this out, you're usually told that you should instead stop doing your work and fix the broken tools yourself.

throwaway_pdp09 6y ago
Simple solution: pay for MS office instead. > And when you point this out, you're usually told that you should instead stop doing your work and fix the broken tools yourself. show us an example of you being told to do this.
- tgsovlerkhgsel 6y ago
  Unfortunately, I'm running Linux for a long list of reasons, which limits my options (yes, Wine is an option, but I've tried that with Notepad++ and the result is a UX that's almost as bad as using LibreOffice/GIMP straight away. Otherwise I'd have certainly gotten both MS Office and some older version of Photoshop.
  - throwaway_pdp09 6y ago
    Use virtualbox.
- ikerdanzel 6y ago
  Yeah. I paid subscription for that even though using linux...vm Windows. The fixed yourself is a common reply when complaining about the free tools.....though to be precise, usually it is polite and phrased as "...contribute to the project...". This is so common, it is very well understood among general public that is tech savvy but not at programmers level, no example need to be shown. A mere quick mention/reference is more than enough.
  - throwaway_pdp09 6y ago
    > and phrased as "...contribute to the project...". Reasonable enough. You could pay them. I did. > no example need to be shown Nope, show me on LibreOffice's bug reports where they say that. You want stuff for free, but so many won't contribute, won't pay, expect first class service without giving anything in return.
Shared404 6y ago
I've never used Impress before today, except once when I need to adjust some PDF's and I opened them in the wrong tool. I've only ever used Docs seriously. Clearly the UI cannot be that bad. Edit: Also, nothing I wanted was more than one click away. Edit 2: There's nothing wrong with disliking a piece of software, but it does seem disingenuous to just flat out say it's bad.