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If you use YouTube so much that a free trial offer bothers you, you might just consider subscribing. Ad-free YouTube is a glorious experience.

by jmole 6y ago

ahmedalsudani 6y ago
Long ago, I decided Google will not get a single penny from my purse, and I have lived up to that. Ad-free YouTube = ad blocker in a browser ... while that lasts :) To preempt the question about content creators: I support the creators I want to support on patreon or by pledging on their website.
- yesplorer 6y ago
  Your usage of YouTube cost Google money. If you believe Google doesn't deserve your money, why consume their product?
  - foxdev 6y ago
    Probably the same reason people used IE6 after it went stagnant. What was your choice? It's not like most YouTube channels have websites they publish stuff to as an alternative.
  - phone8675309 6y ago
    Their product is the platform. I’m not there to consume the platform. I’m there to watch videos uploaded by a third party. I could care less who hosts it. If you want people to view your ads then don’t serve content using a protocol that have user agents that run on my machine where I am in control of what they do, or at least if you do, don’t be surprised when I run user agents that do what I want them to do. Google's alternative is to embed the ads directly into the video at presentation time (which also won’t work so long as I can fast forward).
    - yesplorer 6y ago
      It's sheer hypocrisy that makes you think you're in the right. The platform costs money to deliver content to you. You could care less who hosts it yet you care to type YouTube.com into your address bar to find the content you want. In any case, if you think the company doesn't deserve your money, simply don't consume videos via their platform. If you really mean it, simply stop using the service because the more you use it, the more they retain market share and get to serve more ads to other users. So effectively, you're contributing to their growth. Live by your word and don't use YouTube if you detest Google that much. There's no dignity in double standards.
      - ahmedalsudani 6y ago
        Wonderful. So when, as an individual, I watch a company: - evading most taxes, - offering 0 support to users, - breaking the user experience to force users through their “app funnel,” - shutting down independent developers without recourse, - bullying any small fish in their path, - conspiring to depress labour salaries, and - shirking any societal or moral obligations, ...that’s just business. But then when, having observed their psychopathic behaviour, I decide that I don’t want to be part of funding this evil entity, now I’m holding a double standard by accessing the content this monopoly has become the sole gatekeeper for. Give me a break. (Leaving untouched the fact that their business model revolves around collecting as much private information as possible.)
        yesplorer 6y ago
        You're okay with enjoying free food from an armed robber as long as you're not the one he's robbing even though you know the food is funded with proceeds of crime.
        Xeanort 6y ago
        As long as it's the only place where I can have food, yes.
        phone8675309 6y ago
        You're strawmanning ahmedalsudani's argument. They are not saying that Google is an armed robber, nor is using YouTube anywhere near as essential to survival as food, so this is a bad analogy.
  - ahmedalsudani 6y ago
    Give me a different path to the content, and I will gladly take it. The reason I take this roundabout route is that YouTube owns the monopoly on online video. And Google still makes money off me because I can’t block their ads on Apple TV—I just don’t want to hand them money from my own accounts. They have become incredibly user-hostile once they felt secure in their monopoly position. That attitude completely turned me off.
  - Minor49er 6y ago
    YouTube has operated the same business model as companies like Uber and Jet. They deliberately burn money and turn no profits in order to gain the most marketshare. Then, after they have dominated the marketplace, they start raising prices, showing more ads, etc, to start turning that around.
  - renewiltord 6y ago
    The real answer if you're working in the space is that users will take a free thing over a paid/ad thing any day. They'll usually come up with some rationalization (don't like DRM, don't like targeting, etc.) but the reality is they just don't want to pay. Don't fall into the trap of ever trying to build for these guys. No money will ever arrive, only ever more obscure conditions for the money. There are places where users will pay. Just make things for them instead.
    - ahmedalsudani 6y ago
      From my comment: > To preempt the question about content creators: I support the creators I want to support on patreon or by pledging on their website. Every month, I happily fork over more money than my annual value to google. Only in one case is that money for paywalled material. The rest is purely to support content I enjoy. I would be equally willing to fund a platform that does not treat users and creators as cattle. It’s true that many users have an inflated sense of entitlement. That has been created by the business model of offering “free” services in exchange for your data. Giving Google money now to get rid of the ads is rewarding them for building monopolies and then bilking their users. Speaking for myself and not for the average user, I’m not about to fork over my data and my cash to the #1 beneficiary of the user entitlement that you’re describing.
      - renewiltord 6y ago
        Sure, but you're just one guy. I'm just telling that dude there's no point building for one guy. And you have this requirement on the data thing. The next guy is going to be like "Oh yeah, I do the same, but I give in Bitcoin" and the next guy is like "I only do it if the owner has a moustache on one side of his lip". There's no replicability. Like, I actually thought Patreon was pretty solid but it turns out they're not in a good place at all. Revenue is really low and growth isn't even that great. Patreon never allowed porn but I wonder if there'll be a substitution effect with OnlyFans etc. We'll see. I just don't think catering to people like you is a good business. I'd stay out of it, honestly.
        6y ago
ponker 6y ago
Kind of a dumb suggestion given you have no idea how much money the parent has, so how much they can afford to pay to avoid annoyance.
mynameishere 6y ago
I'm not sure I've seen an ad on youtube, but I do know there's nothing glorious about it.
executesorder66 6y ago
It's already ad-free if you use uBlock Origin. And so is the rest of the internet.
heavyset_go 6y ago
> Ad-free YouTube is a glorious experience. I get this for free using AdGuard Home[1] that blocks ads at the network level. It's great. [1] https://github.com/AdguardTeam/AdGuardHome https://github.com/AdguardTeam/AdGuardHome
- sjy 6y ago
  DNS blocking doesn’t work on ads in YouTube’s mobile apps.
  - heavyset_go 6y ago
    NewPipe does, and you can do picture-in-picture on phones for free.
jsrcout 6y ago
I didn't know YouTube even had ads for several years. Family and I all use adblock. Then I watched a video on someone else's computer and it was like, where did all these ads come from?
- _-___________-_ 6y ago
  I am literally just now learning in this comment thread that Youtube has ads...

If you use YouTube so much that a free trial offer bothers you, you might just consider subscribing. Ad-free YouTube is a glorious experience.

by jmole 6y ago

If you use YouTube so much that a free trial offer bothers you, you might just consider subscribing. Ad-free YouTube is a glorious experience.

ahmedalsudani 6y ago

Long ago, I decided Google will not get a single penny from my purse, and I have lived up to that. Ad-free YouTube = ad blocker in a browser ... while that lasts :) To preempt the question about content creators: I support the creators I want to support on patreon or by pledging on their website.

yesplorer 6y ago
Your usage of YouTube cost Google money. If you believe Google doesn't deserve your money, why consume their product?
- foxdev 6y ago
  Probably the same reason people used IE6 after it went stagnant. What was your choice? It's not like most YouTube channels have websites they publish stuff to as an alternative.
- phone8675309 6y ago
  Their product is the platform. I’m not there to consume the platform. I’m there to watch videos uploaded by a third party. I could care less who hosts it. If you want people to view your ads then don’t serve content using a protocol that have user agents that run on my machine where I am in control of what they do, or at least if you do, don’t be surprised when I run user agents that do what I want them to do. Google's alternative is to embed the ads directly into the video at presentation time (which also won’t work so long as I can fast forward).
  - yesplorer 6y ago
    It's sheer hypocrisy that makes you think you're in the right. The platform costs money to deliver content to you. You could care less who hosts it yet you care to type YouTube.com into your address bar to find the content you want. In any case, if you think the company doesn't deserve your money, simply don't consume videos via their platform. If you really mean it, simply stop using the service because the more you use it, the more they retain market share and get to serve more ads to other users. So effectively, you're contributing to their growth. Live by your word and don't use YouTube if you detest Google that much. There's no dignity in double standards.
    - ahmedalsudani 6y ago
      Wonderful. So when, as an individual, I watch a company: - evading most taxes, - offering 0 support to users, - breaking the user experience to force users through their “app funnel,” - shutting down independent developers without recourse, - bullying any small fish in their path, - conspiring to depress labour salaries, and - shirking any societal or moral obligations, ...that’s just business. But then when, having observed their psychopathic behaviour, I decide that I don’t want to be part of funding this evil entity, now I’m holding a double standard by accessing the content this monopoly has become the sole gatekeeper for. Give me a break. (Leaving untouched the fact that their business model revolves around collecting as much private information as possible.)
      - yesplorer 6y ago
        You're okay with enjoying free food from an armed robber as long as you're not the one he's robbing even though you know the food is funded with proceeds of crime.
        Xeanort 6y ago
        As long as it's the only place where I can have food, yes.
        phone8675309 6y ago
        You're strawmanning ahmedalsudani's argument. They are not saying that Google is an armed robber, nor is using YouTube anywhere near as essential to survival as food, so this is a bad analogy.
- ahmedalsudani 6y ago
  Give me a different path to the content, and I will gladly take it. The reason I take this roundabout route is that YouTube owns the monopoly on online video. And Google still makes money off me because I can’t block their ads on Apple TV—I just don’t want to hand them money from my own accounts. They have become incredibly user-hostile once they felt secure in their monopoly position. That attitude completely turned me off.
- Minor49er 6y ago
  YouTube has operated the same business model as companies like Uber and Jet. They deliberately burn money and turn no profits in order to gain the most marketshare. Then, after they have dominated the marketplace, they start raising prices, showing more ads, etc, to start turning that around.
- renewiltord 6y ago
  The real answer if you're working in the space is that users will take a free thing over a paid/ad thing any day. They'll usually come up with some rationalization (don't like DRM, don't like targeting, etc.) but the reality is they just don't want to pay. Don't fall into the trap of ever trying to build for these guys. No money will ever arrive, only ever more obscure conditions for the money. There are places where users will pay. Just make things for them instead.
  - ahmedalsudani 6y ago
    From my comment: > To preempt the question about content creators: I support the creators I want to support on patreon or by pledging on their website. Every month, I happily fork over more money than my annual value to google. Only in one case is that money for paywalled material. The rest is purely to support content I enjoy. I would be equally willing to fund a platform that does not treat users and creators as cattle. It’s true that many users have an inflated sense of entitlement. That has been created by the business model of offering “free” services in exchange for your data. Giving Google money now to get rid of the ads is rewarding them for building monopolies and then bilking their users. Speaking for myself and not for the average user, I’m not about to fork over my data and my cash to the #1 beneficiary of the user entitlement that you’re describing.
    - renewiltord 6y ago
      Sure, but you're just one guy. I'm just telling that dude there's no point building for one guy. And you have this requirement on the data thing. The next guy is going to be like "Oh yeah, I do the same, but I give in Bitcoin" and the next guy is like "I only do it if the owner has a moustache on one side of his lip". There's no replicability. Like, I actually thought Patreon was pretty solid but it turns out they're not in a good place at all. Revenue is really low and growth isn't even that great. Patreon never allowed porn but I wonder if there'll be a substitution effect with OnlyFans etc. We'll see. I just don't think catering to people like you is a good business. I'd stay out of it, honestly.
      - 6y ago

ponker 6y ago

Kind of a dumb suggestion given you have no idea how much money the parent has, so how much they can afford to pay to avoid annoyance.

mynameishere 6y ago

I'm not sure I've seen an ad on youtube, but I do know there's nothing glorious about it.

executesorder66 6y ago

It's already ad-free if you use uBlock Origin. And so is the rest of the internet.

heavyset_go 6y ago

> Ad-free YouTube is a glorious experience. I get this for free using AdGuard Home[1] that blocks ads at the network level. It's great. [1] https://github.com/AdguardTeam/AdGuardHome https://github.com/AdguardTeam/AdGuardHome

sjy 6y ago
DNS blocking doesn’t work on ads in YouTube’s mobile apps.
- heavyset_go 6y ago
  NewPipe does, and you can do picture-in-picture on phones for free.

jsrcout 6y ago

I didn't know YouTube even had ads for several years. Family and I all use adblock. Then I watched a video on someone else's computer and it was like, where did all these ads come from?

_-___________-_ 6y ago
I am literally just now learning in this comment thread that Youtube has ads...