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Need YouTube to stop asking me for a premium free trial

by ramoz 6y ago

jmole 6y ago
If you use YouTube so much that a free trial offer bothers you, you might just consider subscribing. Ad-free YouTube is a glorious experience.
- ahmedalsudani 6y ago
  Long ago, I decided Google will not get a single penny from my purse, and I have lived up to that. Ad-free YouTube = ad blocker in a browser ... while that lasts :) To preempt the question about content creators: I support the creators I want to support on patreon or by pledging on their website.
  - yesplorer 6y ago
    Your usage of YouTube cost Google money. If you believe Google doesn't deserve your money, why consume their product?
    - foxdev 6y ago
      Probably the same reason people used IE6 after it went stagnant. What was your choice? It's not like most YouTube channels have websites they publish stuff to as an alternative.
    - phone8675309 6y ago
      Their product is the platform. I’m not there to consume the platform. I’m there to watch videos uploaded by a third party. I could care less who hosts it. If you want people to view your ads then don’t serve content using a protocol that have user agents that run on my machine where I am in control of what they do, or at least if you do, don’t be surprised when I run user agents that do what I want them to do. Google's alternative is to embed the ads directly into the video at presentation time (which also won’t work so long as I can fast forward).
      - yesplorer 6y ago
        It's sheer hypocrisy that makes you think you're in the right. The platform costs money to deliver content to you. You could care less who hosts it yet you care to type YouTube.com into your address bar to find the content you want. In any case, if you think the company doesn't deserve your money, simply don't consume videos via their platform. If you really mean it, simply stop using the service because the more you use it, the more they retain market share and get to serve more ads to other users. So effectively, you're contributing to their growth. Live by your word and don't use YouTube if you detest Google that much. There's no dignity in double standards.
        ahmedalsudani 6y ago
        Wonderful. So when, as an individual, I watch a company: - evading most taxes, - offering 0 support to users, - breaking the user experience to force users through their “app funnel,” - shutting down independent developers without recourse, - bullying any small fish in their path, - conspiring to depress labour salaries, and - shirking any societal or moral obligations, ...that’s just business. But then when, having observed their psychopathic behaviour, I decide that I don’t want to be part of funding this evil entity, now I’m holding a double standard by accessing the content this monopoly has become the sole gatekeeper for. Give me a break. (Leaving untouched the fact that their business model revolves around collecting as much private information as possible.)
        yesplorer 6y ago
        You're okay with enjoying free food from an armed robber as long as you're not the one he's robbing even though you know the food is funded with proceeds of crime.
        Xeanort 6y ago
        As long as it's the only place where I can have food, yes.
        phone8675309 6y ago
    - ahmedalsudani 6y ago
      Give me a different path to the content, and I will gladly take it. The reason I take this roundabout route is that YouTube owns the monopoly on online video. And Google still makes money off me because I can’t block their ads on Apple TV—I just don’t want to hand them money from my own accounts. They have become incredibly user-hostile once they felt secure in their monopoly position. That attitude completely turned me off.
    - Minor49er 6y ago
      YouTube has operated the same business model as companies like Uber and Jet. They deliberately burn money and turn no profits in order to gain the most marketshare. Then, after they have dominated the marketplace, they start raising prices, showing more ads, etc, to start turning that around.
    - renewiltord 6y ago
      The real answer if you're working in the space is that users will take a free thing over a paid/ad thing any day. They'll usually come up with some rationalization (don't like DRM, don't like targeting, etc.) but the reality is they just don't want to pay. Don't fall into the trap of ever trying to build for these guys. No money will ever arrive, only ever more obscure conditions for the money. There are places where users will pay. Just make things for them instead.
      - ahmedalsudani 6y ago
        From my comment: > To preempt the question about content creators: I support the creators I want to support on patreon or by pledging on their website. Every month, I happily fork over more money than my annual value to google. Only in one case is that money for paywalled material. The rest is purely to support content I enjoy. I would be equally willing to fund a platform that does not treat users and creators as cattle. It’s true that many users have an inflated sense of entitlement. That has been created by the business model of offering “free” services in exchange for your data. Giving Google money now to get rid of the ads is rewarding them for building monopolies and then bilking their users. Speaking for myself and not for the average user, I’m not about to fork over my data and my cash to the #1 beneficiary of the user entitlement that you’re describing.
        renewiltord 6y ago
        Sure, but you're just one guy. I'm just telling that dude there's no point building for one guy. And you have this requirement on the data thing. The next guy is going to be like "Oh yeah, I do the same, but I give in Bitcoin" and the next guy is like "I only do it if the owner has a moustache on one side of his lip". There's no replicability. Like, I actually thought Patreon was pretty solid but it turns out they're not in a good place at all. Revenue is really low and growth isn't even that great. Patreon never allowed porn but I wonder if there'll be a substitution effect with OnlyFans etc. We'll see. I just don't think catering to people like you is a good business. I'd stay out of it, honestly.
        6y ago
- ponker 6y ago
  Kind of a dumb suggestion given you have no idea how much money the parent has, so how much they can afford to pay to avoid annoyance.
- mynameishere 6y ago
  I'm not sure I've seen an ad on youtube, but I do know there's nothing glorious about it.
- executesorder66 6y ago
  It's already ad-free if you use uBlock Origin. And so is the rest of the internet.
- heavyset_go 6y ago
  > Ad-free YouTube is a glorious experience. I get this for free using AdGuard Home[1] that blocks ads at the network level. It's great. [1] https://github.com/AdguardTeam/AdGuardHome https://github.com/AdguardTeam/AdGuardHome
  - sjy 6y ago
    DNS blocking doesn’t work on ads in YouTube’s mobile apps.
    - heavyset_go 6y ago
      NewPipe does, and you can do picture-in-picture on phones for free.
- jsrcout 6y ago
  I didn't know YouTube even had ads for several years. Family and I all use adblock. Then I watched a video on someone else's computer and it was like, where did all these ads come from?
  - _-___________-_ 6y ago
    I am literally just now learning in this comment thread that Youtube has ads...
scarface74 6y ago
If I ever did think about subscribing to Youtube to get rid of commercials, they do so many user hostile things that I wouldn’t. - no Picture in Picture support in the iPad app. So I have to use a third party app. I think it supports PiP from Safari on the iPad. - when iOS 14 came out and supported PiP on the phone, you could use PiP to view Youtube in Safari. Google went out of its way to disable it the next day. - then people found a work around by viewing in desktop mode. A day later Google disabled that. - So now I have to use a Shortcut to watch YouTube with PiP.
- samatman 6y ago
  Google's behavior on iOS is incredibly petty, and I'm of the opinion that it damages the brand. All of their apps are 'google flavored', they staunchly refuse to design iOS apps which behave like iOS apps. As a result, I have the strong impression that Android must just be awful stuff that you couldn't pay me to use. A false impression, I'm quite sure. If someone jumped through numerous hoops to make an Android app behave like a fake iOS app, I'm sure that would be at least as off-putting. I don't know whether it's arrogance (Google thinks that Material is just the bees knees and everyone should use it) or a deliberate attempt to show off the wonderful world of Google Services on Android, but either way, it leaves a bad taste.
  - scarface74 6y ago
    People think that the only reason that Apple didn’t allow you to choose your default apps for browsing and mail was because it was trying to be anti-competitive. Even though Apple makes no money from Safari or Mail. But it took Google 5 years to support split view for Gmail on iPad. There should be a minimum set of functionality you have to support to be eligible to be the default app that goes beyond what Apple requires. Edit: Yeah. I hated iTunes on Windows and Safari for Windows during its brief existence. It’s just as off putting seeing an Apple app on Windows that acts like a Mac app. Don’t get me started about the old QuickTime for Windows back in the day.
RegW 6y ago
Need Amazon to stop replacing the "Continue" button with "Continue with Prime". Keep cancelling it, but they keep tricking me again.
- arnoooooo 6y ago
  Buy somewhere else ? They continue because people tolerate their abuse, because convenience.
LockAndLol 6y ago
Or when you don't have a YouTube account, you just get pestered nonstop to sign up nowadays. I don't even know why. Just let me watch the fucking video!
- thijsvandien 6y ago
  Exactly. This drives me nuts and I'm surprised I haven't heard more people complain about this. Does everyone else use YouTube while signed in? I'm getting tracked enough already without that.
  - jlokier 6y ago
    Everyone who is logged into Google, as in Gmail or Google Docs or Google Analytics etc are automatically logged into YouTube as well. Even if they never explicitly created a YouTube account. In fact, if you login to Gmail part of the authentication flow redirects via youtube.com and back. Probably most people are logged into Gmail or Google Docs, so they don't see the YouTube sign-up request.

Need YouTube to stop asking me for a premium free trial

by ramoz 6y ago

Need YouTube to stop asking me for a premium free trial

If you use YouTube so much that a free trial offer bothers you, you might just consider subscribing. Ad-free YouTube is a glorious experience.

ahmedalsudani 6y ago
Long ago, I decided Google will not get a single penny from my purse, and I have lived up to that. Ad-free YouTube = ad blocker in a browser ... while that lasts :) To preempt the question about content creators: I support the creators I want to support on patreon or by pledging on their website.
- yesplorer 6y ago
  Your usage of YouTube cost Google money. If you believe Google doesn't deserve your money, why consume their product?
  - foxdev 6y ago
    Probably the same reason people used IE6 after it went stagnant. What was your choice? It's not like most YouTube channels have websites they publish stuff to as an alternative.
  - phone8675309 6y ago
    Their product is the platform. I’m not there to consume the platform. I’m there to watch videos uploaded by a third party. I could care less who hosts it. If you want people to view your ads then don’t serve content using a protocol that have user agents that run on my machine where I am in control of what they do, or at least if you do, don’t be surprised when I run user agents that do what I want them to do. Google's alternative is to embed the ads directly into the video at presentation time (which also won’t work so long as I can fast forward).
    - yesplorer 6y ago
      It's sheer hypocrisy that makes you think you're in the right. The platform costs money to deliver content to you. You could care less who hosts it yet you care to type YouTube.com into your address bar to find the content you want. In any case, if you think the company doesn't deserve your money, simply don't consume videos via their platform. If you really mean it, simply stop using the service because the more you use it, the more they retain market share and get to serve more ads to other users. So effectively, you're contributing to their growth. Live by your word and don't use YouTube if you detest Google that much. There's no dignity in double standards.
      - ahmedalsudani 6y ago
        Wonderful. So when, as an individual, I watch a company: - evading most taxes, - offering 0 support to users, - breaking the user experience to force users through their “app funnel,” - shutting down independent developers without recourse, - bullying any small fish in their path, - conspiring to depress labour salaries, and - shirking any societal or moral obligations, ...that’s just business. But then when, having observed their psychopathic behaviour, I decide that I don’t want to be part of funding this evil entity, now I’m holding a double standard by accessing the content this monopoly has become the sole gatekeeper for. Give me a break. (Leaving untouched the fact that their business model revolves around collecting as much private information as possible.)
        yesplorer 6y ago
        You're okay with enjoying free food from an armed robber as long as you're not the one he's robbing even though you know the food is funded with proceeds of crime.
        Xeanort 6y ago
        As long as it's the only place where I can have food, yes.
        phone8675309 6y ago
  - ahmedalsudani 6y ago
    Give me a different path to the content, and I will gladly take it. The reason I take this roundabout route is that YouTube owns the monopoly on online video. And Google still makes money off me because I can’t block their ads on Apple TV—I just don’t want to hand them money from my own accounts. They have become incredibly user-hostile once they felt secure in their monopoly position. That attitude completely turned me off.
  - Minor49er 6y ago
    YouTube has operated the same business model as companies like Uber and Jet. They deliberately burn money and turn no profits in order to gain the most marketshare. Then, after they have dominated the marketplace, they start raising prices, showing more ads, etc, to start turning that around.
  - renewiltord 6y ago
    The real answer if you're working in the space is that users will take a free thing over a paid/ad thing any day. They'll usually come up with some rationalization (don't like DRM, don't like targeting, etc.) but the reality is they just don't want to pay. Don't fall into the trap of ever trying to build for these guys. No money will ever arrive, only ever more obscure conditions for the money. There are places where users will pay. Just make things for them instead.
    - ahmedalsudani 6y ago
      From my comment: > To preempt the question about content creators: I support the creators I want to support on patreon or by pledging on their website. Every month, I happily fork over more money than my annual value to google. Only in one case is that money for paywalled material. The rest is purely to support content I enjoy. I would be equally willing to fund a platform that does not treat users and creators as cattle. It’s true that many users have an inflated sense of entitlement. That has been created by the business model of offering “free” services in exchange for your data. Giving Google money now to get rid of the ads is rewarding them for building monopolies and then bilking their users. Speaking for myself and not for the average user, I’m not about to fork over my data and my cash to the #1 beneficiary of the user entitlement that you’re describing.
      - renewiltord 6y ago
        Sure, but you're just one guy. I'm just telling that dude there's no point building for one guy. And you have this requirement on the data thing. The next guy is going to be like "Oh yeah, I do the same, but I give in Bitcoin" and the next guy is like "I only do it if the owner has a moustache on one side of his lip". There's no replicability. Like, I actually thought Patreon was pretty solid but it turns out they're not in a good place at all. Revenue is really low and growth isn't even that great. Patreon never allowed porn but I wonder if there'll be a substitution effect with OnlyFans etc. We'll see. I just don't think catering to people like you is a good business. I'd stay out of it, honestly.
        6y ago
ponker 6y ago
Kind of a dumb suggestion given you have no idea how much money the parent has, so how much they can afford to pay to avoid annoyance.
mynameishere 6y ago
I'm not sure I've seen an ad on youtube, but I do know there's nothing glorious about it.
executesorder66 6y ago
It's already ad-free if you use uBlock Origin. And so is the rest of the internet.
heavyset_go 6y ago
> Ad-free YouTube is a glorious experience. I get this for free using AdGuard Home[1] that blocks ads at the network level. It's great. [1] https://github.com/AdguardTeam/AdGuardHome https://github.com/AdguardTeam/AdGuardHome
- sjy 6y ago
  DNS blocking doesn’t work on ads in YouTube’s mobile apps.
  - heavyset_go 6y ago
    NewPipe does, and you can do picture-in-picture on phones for free.
jsrcout 6y ago
I didn't know YouTube even had ads for several years. Family and I all use adblock. Then I watched a video on someone else's computer and it was like, where did all these ads come from?
- _-___________-_ 6y ago
  I am literally just now learning in this comment thread that Youtube has ads...

scarface74 6y ago

If I ever did think about subscribing to Youtube to get rid of commercials, they do so many user hostile things that I wouldn’t. - no Picture in Picture support in the iPad app. So I have to use a third party app. I think it supports PiP from Safari on the iPad. - when iOS 14 came out and supported PiP on the phone, you could use PiP to view Youtube in Safari. Google went out of its way to disable it the next day. - then people found a work around by viewing in desktop mode. A day later Google disabled that. - So now I have to use a Shortcut to watch YouTube with PiP.

samatman 6y ago
Google's behavior on iOS is incredibly petty, and I'm of the opinion that it damages the brand. All of their apps are 'google flavored', they staunchly refuse to design iOS apps which behave like iOS apps. As a result, I have the strong impression that Android must just be awful stuff that you couldn't pay me to use. A false impression, I'm quite sure. If someone jumped through numerous hoops to make an Android app behave like a fake iOS app, I'm sure that would be at least as off-putting. I don't know whether it's arrogance (Google thinks that Material is just the bees knees and everyone should use it) or a deliberate attempt to show off the wonderful world of Google Services on Android, but either way, it leaves a bad taste.
- scarface74 6y ago
  People think that the only reason that Apple didn’t allow you to choose your default apps for browsing and mail was because it was trying to be anti-competitive. Even though Apple makes no money from Safari or Mail. But it took Google 5 years to support split view for Gmail on iPad. There should be a minimum set of functionality you have to support to be eligible to be the default app that goes beyond what Apple requires. Edit: Yeah. I hated iTunes on Windows and Safari for Windows during its brief existence. It’s just as off putting seeing an Apple app on Windows that acts like a Mac app. Don’t get me started about the old QuickTime for Windows back in the day.

RegW 6y ago

Need Amazon to stop replacing the "Continue" button with "Continue with Prime". Keep cancelling it, but they keep tricking me again.

arnoooooo 6y ago
Buy somewhere else ? They continue because people tolerate their abuse, because convenience.

LockAndLol 6y ago

Or when you don't have a YouTube account, you just get pestered nonstop to sign up nowadays. I don't even know why. Just let me watch the fucking video!

thijsvandien 6y ago
Exactly. This drives me nuts and I'm surprised I haven't heard more people complain about this. Does everyone else use YouTube while signed in? I'm getting tracked enough already without that.
- jlokier 6y ago
  Everyone who is logged into Google, as in Gmail or Google Docs or Google Analytics etc are automatically logged into YouTube as well. Even if they never explicitly created a YouTube account. In fact, if you login to Gmail part of the authentication flow redirects via youtube.com and back. Probably most people are logged into Gmail or Google Docs, so they don't see the YouTube sign-up request.