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> What is having an internet connected coffee maker buying me? One "cool" point with your friends. "Check this out dudes! Alexa! Brew coffee" And when Alexa

> What is having an internet connected coffee maker buying me? One "cool" point with your friends. "Check this out dudes! Alexa! Brew coffee" And when Alexa responds with, "Please add water", you lose two cool points and end up in a deficit. If you need to remote start your coffee pot, you need to get your life a little more together. If you need remote notifications that coffee is done, the same applies. It's not hard to plan around "Coffee takes about 15 minutes to brew, so I start it before I hop in the shower".

markrages 6y ago
RFC 2324
- kempbellt 6y ago
  I forgot about this. Thanks for the reminder, and the laugh.
  - mcguire 6y ago
    In some environments (specifically, an academic department I used to know), knowing whether the coffeemaker was brewing, ready, or empty would be important, with potentially career damaging consequences.
- edoceo 6y ago
  RFC 2324 - Hyper Text Coffee Pot Control Protocol (HTCPCP/1.0) https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2324 https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2324
- grishka 6y ago
  Too bad none of those IoT coffee makers implement this.
TeMPOraL 6y ago
Let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater. I'd really appreciate if my electric kettle could send me a notification when it's done, because waiting for it to boil is three to five minutes I could be spending e.g. listening to the music with my headphones on. Same applies to other household appliances: the dishwasher, the oven, the washing machine. All I want is to have a set of icons in my computer's tray that change color when a given device is done. This would let me stop scheduling life around the machines, or having to keep the doors to the home office open and headphones off to hear the various beeps. Instead, I could set them to do the work, and go back to doing my stuff fully focused. In a sane world where tech companies practice anything resembling solid engineering, this would not require the devices to have an Internet connection. Working over LAN with standardized (and already existing) protocols is all that's required. In this world, I don't have any of the conveniences described above, because I'm not crazy or gullible enough to buy an IoT appliance.
- kempbellt 6y ago
  Unless you put in ice water some days, and hot water others, physics is physics, and I guarantee it takes roughly the same amount of time, every time, and I doubt you have taken the time to time it - too busy saving time to save time, I imagine. If it takes 3 minutes, press start, look at the clock, come back in 3 (or ~1 song later, if that's easier). I don't mean to be rude, but if a task this simple is difficult for you to manage on your own, you might benefit from a little more organizing and self-discipline in your life. To each their own (I don't know your life), but in my world, attempting to be "fully focused" every second of the day is a perfect recipe for burnout. Coffee, for me, is about not being fully focused. Like an intentional break from it (i.e, a "coffee break"). Taking the time to prep it, brew it, and drink it, is all a part of the process. It's a fun experiment to try and optimize every minute of the day around productivity, but its untenable, long-term.
  - clairity 6y ago
    people have been using timers in the kitchen for generations. it's not simply the strict amount of time saved, but the mental cost, both in context switching and active attention.
  - TeMPOraL 6y ago
    > If it takes 3 minutes, press start, look at the clock, come back in 3 (or ~1 song later, if that's easier). Sure. And that's how I cope with life, really. My watch has a bunch of timers pre-configured on it - a Pomodoro timer, a "pizza in oven" timer, a "baguettes in oven" timer, an "instant noodles" timer, etc. But the list of timers keeps growing, and it's mildly annoying that I have to do it in the first place. So my argument here can be somewhat simplified to: in a world with working IoT, I wouldn't have to manage those timers. > if a task this simple is difficult for you to manage on your own I never said I can't manage it. I only said it's annoying to have to be waiting on the kettle. One more thing to juggle in your head. > To each their own (I don't know your life), but in my world, attempting to be "fully focused" every second of the day is a perfect recipe for burnout. I don't mean to be rude, but yeah, you don't know my life :). I'm not trying to optimize my entire day to the minute (I actually did try that, I couldn't handle it - I'm not wired for rigid, inflexible schedules without space for randomness). But due to nature and nurture, I require a constant influx of fresh tea (I average roughly a cup an hour). I drink tea while doing the stuff I'm doing. So during the course of the day, it does intersect the times where I want to be focused - whether on work, on a side project, or on my family. My philosophy of life is one of eliminating upkeep and maintenance work - things that distract me from what I want to be doing. So e.g. I use a dishwasher to spend less time cleaning up after cooking (and save some water too). "Eating good food" is the only goal I care about here - the cooking and the cleaning afterwards are both means to an end, and the less effort they take, the better. Under the same philosophy, I'd prefer if my kettle could be filled and triggered remotely, and flashed an icon on my desktop (or better, vibed my watch) when it's done. And to be absolutely clear: we're talking ultimate "first world problem" level here. I'm not suffering because I have a manually operated kettle.
simcop2387 6y ago
I use smarthome based stuff for doing that when needed (I don't drink it myself, but have a maker for guests). I set it up the night before and have it go on with whatever alarms are going to happen so that the coffee is started when people are just waking up and half awake.
smabie 6y ago
You can literally say that about anything that saves you a little time. In aggregate, all the time you save from small optimizations adds up to something non-trivial.
netsharc 6y ago
The machine just needs a voice synthesizer to be able to talk to Google Home: https://youtu.be/oKNwqFFJaMU?t=50 https://youtu.be/oKNwqFFJaMU?t=50

markrages 6y ago

RFC 2324

kempbellt 6y ago
I forgot about this. Thanks for the reminder, and the laugh.
- mcguire 6y ago
  In some environments (specifically, an academic department I used to know), knowing whether the coffeemaker was brewing, ready, or empty would be important, with potentially career damaging consequences.
edoceo 6y ago
RFC 2324 - Hyper Text Coffee Pot Control Protocol (HTCPCP/1.0) https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2324 https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2324
grishka 6y ago
Too bad none of those IoT coffee makers implement this.

TeMPOraL 6y ago

Let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater. I'd really appreciate if my electric kettle could send me a notification when it's done, because waiting for it to boil is three to five minutes I could be spending e.g. listening to the music with my headphones on. Same applies to other household appliances: the dishwasher, the oven, the washing machine. All I want is to have a set of icons in my computer's tray that change color when a given device is done. This would let me stop scheduling life around the machines, or having to keep the doors to the home office open and headphones off to hear the various beeps. Instead, I could set them to do the work, and go back to doing my stuff fully focused. In a sane world where tech companies practice anything resembling solid engineering, this would not require the devices to have an Internet connection. Working over LAN with standardized (and already existing) protocols is all that's required. In this world, I don't have any of the conveniences described above, because I'm not crazy or gullible enough to buy an IoT appliance.

kempbellt 6y ago
Unless you put in ice water some days, and hot water others, physics is physics, and I guarantee it takes roughly the same amount of time, every time, and I doubt you have taken the time to time it - too busy saving time to save time, I imagine. If it takes 3 minutes, press start, look at the clock, come back in 3 (or ~1 song later, if that's easier). I don't mean to be rude, but if a task this simple is difficult for you to manage on your own, you might benefit from a little more organizing and self-discipline in your life. To each their own (I don't know your life), but in my world, attempting to be "fully focused" every second of the day is a perfect recipe for burnout. Coffee, for me, is about not being fully focused. Like an intentional break from it (i.e, a "coffee break"). Taking the time to prep it, brew it, and drink it, is all a part of the process. It's a fun experiment to try and optimize every minute of the day around productivity, but its untenable, long-term.
- clairity 6y ago
  people have been using timers in the kitchen for generations. it's not simply the strict amount of time saved, but the mental cost, both in context switching and active attention.
- TeMPOraL 6y ago
  > If it takes 3 minutes, press start, look at the clock, come back in 3 (or ~1 song later, if that's easier). Sure. And that's how I cope with life, really. My watch has a bunch of timers pre-configured on it - a Pomodoro timer, a "pizza in oven" timer, a "baguettes in oven" timer, an "instant noodles" timer, etc. But the list of timers keeps growing, and it's mildly annoying that I have to do it in the first place. So my argument here can be somewhat simplified to: in a world with working IoT, I wouldn't have to manage those timers. > if a task this simple is difficult for you to manage on your own I never said I can't manage it. I only said it's annoying to have to be waiting on the kettle. One more thing to juggle in your head. > To each their own (I don't know your life), but in my world, attempting to be "fully focused" every second of the day is a perfect recipe for burnout. I don't mean to be rude, but yeah, you don't know my life :). I'm not trying to optimize my entire day to the minute (I actually did try that, I couldn't handle it - I'm not wired for rigid, inflexible schedules without space for randomness). But due to nature and nurture, I require a constant influx of fresh tea (I average roughly a cup an hour). I drink tea while doing the stuff I'm doing. So during the course of the day, it does intersect the times where I want to be focused - whether on work, on a side project, or on my family. My philosophy of life is one of eliminating upkeep and maintenance work - things that distract me from what I want to be doing. So e.g. I use a dishwasher to spend less time cleaning up after cooking (and save some water too). "Eating good food" is the only goal I care about here - the cooking and the cleaning afterwards are both means to an end, and the less effort they take, the better. Under the same philosophy, I'd prefer if my kettle could be filled and triggered remotely, and flashed an icon on my desktop (or better, vibed my watch) when it's done. And to be absolutely clear: we're talking ultimate "first world problem" level here. I'm not suffering because I have a manually operated kettle.

simcop2387 6y ago

I use smarthome based stuff for doing that when needed (I don't drink it myself, but have a maker for guests). I set it up the night before and have it go on with whatever alarms are going to happen so that the coffee is started when people are just waking up and half awake.

smabie 6y ago

You can literally say that about anything that saves you a little time. In aggregate, all the time you save from small optimizations adds up to something non-trivial.

netsharc 6y ago

The machine just needs a voice synthesizer to be able to talk to Google Home: https://youtu.be/oKNwqFFJaMU?t=50 https://youtu.be/oKNwqFFJaMU?t=50