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Not journalism... Vice.

eganist 6y ago
Yeah, to be clear, while Vice isn't inherently terrible, they're not generally considered to be fact-focused. https://www.adfontesmedia.com/ https://www.adfontesmedia.com/ does a good job of placing them with their lean and accuracy.
- whatshisface 6y ago
  >while Vice isn't inherently terrible, they're not generally considered to be fact-focused. Nonfactual reporting is inherently terrible...
  - eganist 6y ago
    > Factless reporting is inherently terrible... This is a mis-representation of what I said as well as of the reference I'd provided (and your "Nonfactual reporting" edit isn't substantially different). What I'd said was "they're not generally considered to be fact-focused." which is to say that more of their work is analysis given known facts, and analyses can skew in any direction.
    - whatshisface 6y ago
      The parent comment was pointing out misreporting of known facts, not "skewed analysis."
      - eganist 6y ago
        > The parent comment was pointing out misreporting of known facts, not "skewed analysis." Please see the reference I'd provided to understand Vice's perceived reliability and political skew. They're skewed somewhat left (this is unrelated to reliability) and are not as reliable as outlets that focus on strictly fact-based reporting. This level of reliability can either manifest as skewed analysis (your term in this exact context. I only mentioned analysis-skewing in a general sense), inadequate laymanization, or factually incorrect reporting. Not sure why there's a debate about this. I presented a source of fact to inform people as to any observed risks in the outlet who's output they're consuming, that's all. Opting out of this conversation, with respects. --- That said, no idea where the author got any idea that an EEG works off of hormones, so while Vice generally isn't terrible, this piece certainly is. My only assumption is that in the course of laymanizing this, they condensed the measurement of stress hormones as well as a separate EEG into one process, which is... yeah. I'm assuming you and I probably agree on this point.

Yeah, to be clear, while Vice isn't inherently terrible, they're not generally considered to be fact-focused. https://www.adfontesmedia.com/ https://www.adfontesmedia.com/ does a good job of placing them with their lean and accuracy.

whatshisface 6y ago
>while Vice isn't inherently terrible, they're not generally considered to be fact-focused. Nonfactual reporting is inherently terrible...
- eganist 6y ago
  > Factless reporting is inherently terrible... This is a mis-representation of what I said as well as of the reference I'd provided (and your "Nonfactual reporting" edit isn't substantially different). What I'd said was "they're not generally considered to be fact-focused." which is to say that more of their work is analysis given known facts, and analyses can skew in any direction.
  - whatshisface 6y ago
    The parent comment was pointing out misreporting of known facts, not "skewed analysis."
    - eganist 6y ago
      > The parent comment was pointing out misreporting of known facts, not "skewed analysis." Please see the reference I'd provided to understand Vice's perceived reliability and political skew. They're skewed somewhat left (this is unrelated to reliability) and are not as reliable as outlets that focus on strictly fact-based reporting. This level of reliability can either manifest as skewed analysis (your term in this exact context. I only mentioned analysis-skewing in a general sense), inadequate laymanization, or factually incorrect reporting. Not sure why there's a debate about this. I presented a source of fact to inform people as to any observed risks in the outlet who's output they're consuming, that's all. Opting out of this conversation, with respects. --- That said, no idea where the author got any idea that an EEG works off of hormones, so while Vice generally isn't terrible, this piece certainly is. My only assumption is that in the course of laymanizing this, they condensed the measurement of stress hormones as well as a separate EEG into one process, which is... yeah. I'm assuming you and I probably agree on this point.