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Here is a presentation with more technical details: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2mnbyRgXkY&t=7975 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2mnbyRgXkY&t=7975

by lower 6y ago

fowl2 6y ago
One of several presentations Microsoft had XDC, no less. Yes, the X.Org Conference. They basically souped up the FreeRDP Weston backend (plus a bunch of glue to make it more magical, and some buffer sharing stuff with VMs)
tjoff 6y ago
Thanks, haven't watched the whole thing but I like what I see. I also like that this isn't WSL specific. You can do it from a real linux-machine or VM from another host. It also adds wayland applications and not just X11. Hope that this is something that will spur some wayland->wayland equivalent (since they base it on weston it might be possible to reuse a lot).
- _ph_ 6y ago
  From what I understood in the presentation, there is very little WSL-specific in the implementation and all if it is open source. This should improve RDP support in Wayland a lot and be usable for remote access to wayland based systems. This seems to have the potential to pretty much solve the network transparency problem of Wayland.
mav3rick 6y ago
Google Crostini had the Linux in a VM architecture + Window support long before WSL became WSL V2 in a VM.
_ph_ 6y ago
This is really great on several levels. First of all, I do think the ability to run Linux GUI applications almost natively on Windows is a good thing. Especially, as this ability ships with Windows without having to manually set up a virtualization. This reduced the bareer of running these applications a lot and hopefully this gives incentive to write more Linux GUI applications with the increased audience. It is of course fantastic for all, who would like to use Linux but are tied to Windows for various reasons. For some use cases, one still would use a classical virtualization like VMware, but for many others, this is an elegant alternative. It is also good for a pure Linux world, as to my understanding, this is most of all an enhancement of the RDP support for Wayland, basically solving the problem of lacking network transparency. It was a valid critizism of Wayland, that unlike X it didn't have a concept of network transparency. But with all the work done by Microsoft - and it seems to be completely open source - this problem looks to me as solved. Perhaps even better than with X, as RDP is designed to be forwarded over larger distances, while X forwarding is most useful in local networks.

Here is a presentation with more technical details: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2mnbyRgXkY&t=7975 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2mnbyRgXkY&t=7975

by lower 6y ago

Here is a presentation with more technical details: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2mnbyRgXkY&t=7975 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2mnbyRgXkY&t=7975

fowl2 6y ago

One of several presentations Microsoft had XDC, no less. Yes, the X.Org Conference. They basically souped up the FreeRDP Weston backend (plus a bunch of glue to make it more magical, and some buffer sharing stuff with VMs)

tjoff 6y ago

Thanks, haven't watched the whole thing but I like what I see. I also like that this isn't WSL specific. You can do it from a real linux-machine or VM from another host. It also adds wayland applications and not just X11. Hope that this is something that will spur some wayland->wayland equivalent (since they base it on weston it might be possible to reuse a lot).

_ph_ 6y ago
From what I understood in the presentation, there is very little WSL-specific in the implementation and all if it is open source. This should improve RDP support in Wayland a lot and be usable for remote access to wayland based systems. This seems to have the potential to pretty much solve the network transparency problem of Wayland.

mav3rick 6y ago

Google Crostini had the Linux in a VM architecture + Window support long before WSL became WSL V2 in a VM.

_ph_ 6y ago

This is really great on several levels. First of all, I do think the ability to run Linux GUI applications almost natively on Windows is a good thing. Especially, as this ability ships with Windows without having to manually set up a virtualization. This reduced the bareer of running these applications a lot and hopefully this gives incentive to write more Linux GUI applications with the increased audience. It is of course fantastic for all, who would like to use Linux but are tied to Windows for various reasons. For some use cases, one still would use a classical virtualization like VMware, but for many others, this is an elegant alternative. It is also good for a pure Linux world, as to my understanding, this is most of all an enhancement of the RDP support for Wayland, basically solving the problem of lacking network transparency. It was a valid critizism of Wayland, that unlike X it didn't have a concept of network transparency. But with all the work done by Microsoft - and it seems to be completely open source - this problem looks to me as solved. Perhaps even better than with X, as RDP is designed to be forwarded over larger distances, while X forwarding is most useful in local networks.