Let's stick to the vocabulary I imposed with my rant :) That's the _dependency nightmare_ you're mentioning. I agree that RoR solves a non-negligible chunk of

Let's stick to the vocabulary I imposed with my rant :) That's the _dependency nightmare_ you're mentioning. I agree that RoR solves a non-negligible chunk of it. But I have never seen a "rails new foobar" configure my SELinux or introduce any sane security policy in the database, for instance. So, the nightmare is still here. The _glue nightmare_ appears when you're trying to pass non-trivial data from the client to the server, or worse, from the server to the client. Or when you're trying to validate the heck out of input data to ensure that there is no CouchDB injection or SQL injection or anything such.