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I don't think nice color schemes are the point - although I do highly appreciate them. I've tried Spacemacs and it's pretty nice. Using it in vi-mode, it provi

I don't think nice color schemes are the point - although I do highly appreciate them. I've tried Spacemacs and it's pretty nice. Using it in vi-mode, it provides multicursors that are far more advanced than in any other editor I know. Also it has a sidebar. On the other hand for me Spacemacs is pretty buggy (macOS + Linux), I sometimes have to redo commands. Some important vim shortcuts are not implemented and the sidebar is also not always working as it should. Therefore I refrain from adding more plugins to the mix. Experienced Emacs tend to not use the Spacemacs theme and are working with solid configurations. Maybe a rock-solid default configuration would work.

trenchgun 6y ago
Doom emacs is probably the state of the art emacs starter pack now. A lot faster than spacemacs, more stable etc. A rock solid default config made out of Doom emacs might work.
- TrisMcC 6y ago
  I don't think a starter pack that completely disables the "Customize" interface would be a good candidate for default. https://github.com/hlissner/doom-emacs/blob/a2a5038b970df20ec512447b7bbbe96fa2446851/core/core-ui.el#L666 https://github.com/hlissner/doom-emacs/blob/a2a5038b970df20e... "Doom doesn't support `customize' and it never will. It's a clumsy interface" I find the Customize interface very useful.
  - dan-robertson 6y ago
    Yeah, unfortunately doom isn’t designed to be beginner friendly. I’m personally in two minds about customize. It is quite clunky and I think it’s too easy to have your customisations overwritten by customise or something else or to have them overwritten in confusing ways. But it also gives a non-lisp interface to a lot of customisation (manually setting up the data structures can be a big pain to get right without it).
  - vfclists 6y ago
    When you use the customize interface you sacrifice proper version control. Bad idea.
    - grzm 6y ago
      You can include custom-file in version control easily enough.
  - Siira 6y ago
    It's easier this way for a beginner. Things are consistent; You put `(setq foo bar)` in your config. It's very intuitive. (I have also lost some settings to customize's bugs in Spacemacs.)
    - vvillena 6y ago
      And how do you arrive at the correct values for 'foo' and 'bar'?. The key feature of customize is discoverability.
  - lytefm 6y ago
    I'd also say it's a good choice for beginners. Providing one way to configure things and explaining that reasonably well in tutorials and docs is fine. The only downside of Doom Emacs for a beginner like me is the non-standard package manager: Just following some packages docs for configuring isn't enough, it's also required to figure out when to execute that config code.

trenchgun 6y ago

Doom emacs is probably the state of the art emacs starter pack now. A lot faster than spacemacs, more stable etc. A rock solid default config made out of Doom emacs might work.

TrisMcC 6y ago
I don't think a starter pack that completely disables the "Customize" interface would be a good candidate for default. https://github.com/hlissner/doom-emacs/blob/a2a5038b970df20ec512447b7bbbe96fa2446851/core/core-ui.el#L666 https://github.com/hlissner/doom-emacs/blob/a2a5038b970df20e... "Doom doesn't support `customize' and it never will. It's a clumsy interface" I find the Customize interface very useful.
- dan-robertson 6y ago
  Yeah, unfortunately doom isn’t designed to be beginner friendly. I’m personally in two minds about customize. It is quite clunky and I think it’s too easy to have your customisations overwritten by customise or something else or to have them overwritten in confusing ways. But it also gives a non-lisp interface to a lot of customisation (manually setting up the data structures can be a big pain to get right without it).
- vfclists 6y ago
  When you use the customize interface you sacrifice proper version control. Bad idea.
  - grzm 6y ago
    You can include custom-file in version control easily enough.
- Siira 6y ago
  It's easier this way for a beginner. Things are consistent; You put `(setq foo bar)` in your config. It's very intuitive. (I have also lost some settings to customize's bugs in Spacemacs.)
  - vvillena 6y ago
    And how do you arrive at the correct values for 'foo' and 'bar'?. The key feature of customize is discoverability.
- lytefm 6y ago
  I'd also say it's a good choice for beginners. Providing one way to configure things and explaining that reasonably well in tutorials and docs is fine. The only downside of Doom Emacs for a beginner like me is the non-standard package manager: Just following some packages docs for configuring isn't enough, it's also required to figure out when to execute that config code.