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Sure. Maybe not in 2020, or even 2021, but at some point travel is likely to resume to pre-COVID levels. How long that takes is anyones guess, but the desire fo

Sure. Maybe not in 2020, or even 2021, but at some point travel is likely to resume to pre-COVID levels. How long that takes is anyones guess, but the desire for a more efficient aircraft to cram even more people inside of to save on costs will always be a priority for any (remaining) airlines.

grosswait 6y ago
In talk by United's president, he said they expect pre-COVID levels of travel not to return until 2027
- belltaco 6y ago
  People are cooped up and want to travel, once the vaccine hits I think there will be a heavy demand for travel.
  - exhaze 6y ago
    Can you explain specifically what you makes you think that there will be heavy demand for travel, based on some facts?
    - whymauri 6y ago
      Frankly, I'm more interested in the evidence that it will take five - six years for the travel industry to bounce back to 2019 levels.
- meddlepal 6y ago
  It may never return if biz travel suddenly becomes unnecessary because companies think they go do a lot of previously in-person stuff via video call.
  - tluyben2 6y ago
    I was flying all the time for 5 years because our partners, investors, clients etc demanded it. I had many weeks in those years where someone mailed on sunday that I was expected tuesday morning in HK and thursday in melbourne and then could be gone sunday. I live in EU so that's a nice haul for 1 week of business; quite painful with some kind of permanent jetlag. Then COVID arrived and now suddenly everything is easy over zoom, email & chat. Even now that travel is allowed again in a lot of places I was supposed to jump to inside EU, no-one asks for it anymore. Saves everyone bucketloads of money (I wasn't sitting in economy), much better for the environment, and, for most purposes that the travel was thought to be vital for, it's actually more efficient this way. People are well rested and progress is made faster as people are less likely to fall into the bullshit of lengthy business lunches/dinners and late night drinks (basically getting hammered which in some circles was mandatory otherwise they wouldn't play) etc. Most of the people I work with (and have worked with for years) don't assume they or I will have to fly, when it's allowed again, more than once a year. And I don't miss it; it was really tiring.
    - rantwasp 6y ago
      I tell her to meet me in Mexico, but I go to Canada. I don't trust her. Besides, I like the cold. Thirty years later, I get a postcard. I have a son and he's the chief of police. This is where the story gets interesting. I tell Tiffany to meet me in Paris by the Trocadero. She's been waiting for me all these years. She's never taken another lover. I don't care. I don't show up. I go to Berlin. That's where I stashed the chandelier.
      - neonate 6y ago
        https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Perfect%20Crime https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Perfect%20Cr...
  - JohnJamesRambo 6y ago
    That Zoom icon is going to still be there on the desktop of all these computers and that’s one good thing to come out of this.
  - eloisius 6y ago
    I doubt this. I’ve worked on and off remotely and with distributed teams for most of my career. For many of us, there is something severely missing when remote-only. It’s only been a few months. I don’t believe we’ve had a paradigm-shifting breakthrough in the nature or office life. I think what’s going on is 1) tech companies are taking a good opportunity to diversify out of the long overpriced SV labor and real estate markets, and 2) companies trying to keep a stiff upper lip and show how adaptive they are by appearing to embrace the “new normal.”

grosswait 6y ago

In talk by United's president, he said they expect pre-COVID levels of travel not to return until 2027

belltaco 6y ago
People are cooped up and want to travel, once the vaccine hits I think there will be a heavy demand for travel.
- exhaze 6y ago
  Can you explain specifically what you makes you think that there will be heavy demand for travel, based on some facts?
  - whymauri 6y ago
    Frankly, I'm more interested in the evidence that it will take five - six years for the travel industry to bounce back to 2019 levels.
meddlepal 6y ago
It may never return if biz travel suddenly becomes unnecessary because companies think they go do a lot of previously in-person stuff via video call.
- tluyben2 6y ago
  I was flying all the time for 5 years because our partners, investors, clients etc demanded it. I had many weeks in those years where someone mailed on sunday that I was expected tuesday morning in HK and thursday in melbourne and then could be gone sunday. I live in EU so that's a nice haul for 1 week of business; quite painful with some kind of permanent jetlag. Then COVID arrived and now suddenly everything is easy over zoom, email & chat. Even now that travel is allowed again in a lot of places I was supposed to jump to inside EU, no-one asks for it anymore. Saves everyone bucketloads of money (I wasn't sitting in economy), much better for the environment, and, for most purposes that the travel was thought to be vital for, it's actually more efficient this way. People are well rested and progress is made faster as people are less likely to fall into the bullshit of lengthy business lunches/dinners and late night drinks (basically getting hammered which in some circles was mandatory otherwise they wouldn't play) etc. Most of the people I work with (and have worked with for years) don't assume they or I will have to fly, when it's allowed again, more than once a year. And I don't miss it; it was really tiring.
  - rantwasp 6y ago
    I tell her to meet me in Mexico, but I go to Canada. I don't trust her. Besides, I like the cold. Thirty years later, I get a postcard. I have a son and he's the chief of police. This is where the story gets interesting. I tell Tiffany to meet me in Paris by the Trocadero. She's been waiting for me all these years. She's never taken another lover. I don't care. I don't show up. I go to Berlin. That's where I stashed the chandelier.
    - neonate 6y ago
      https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Perfect%20Crime https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Perfect%20Cr...
- JohnJamesRambo 6y ago
  That Zoom icon is going to still be there on the desktop of all these computers and that’s one good thing to come out of this.
- eloisius 6y ago
  I doubt this. I’ve worked on and off remotely and with distributed teams for most of my career. For many of us, there is something severely missing when remote-only. It’s only been a few months. I don’t believe we’ve had a paradigm-shifting breakthrough in the nature or office life. I think what’s going on is 1) tech companies are taking a good opportunity to diversify out of the long overpriced SV labor and real estate markets, and 2) companies trying to keep a stiff upper lip and show how adaptive they are by appearing to embrace the “new normal.”