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Maybe I suffer from a mental illness or something but I can not think about anything NC related without also thinking about the unimaginable torture of prisoner

Maybe I suffer from a mental illness or something but I can not think about anything NC related without also thinking about the unimaginable torture of prisoners that is happening right now.

pizza_worker 6y ago
Have you ever heard of ICE? Not that NK is in anyway acceptable - it’s a sad mess. But you must be aware that they do not hold a monopoly on being terrible.
- deathgrips 6y ago
  Have you ever heard of whataboutism?
  - supernihil 6y ago
    Whataboutism: the art of reducing everything to a needle in a haystack. :-)
  - pizza_worker 6y ago
    Yeah, but I did not what about, did I? I expressed the fact that absolutely everything about NK is unacceptable. But if parent poster is deeply bothered by certain inhumane acts, then they should be aware that there are terrible things happening, things which would make him sick, and differently from NK, situations such as ICE may actually be changed with enough public pressure.
    - read_if_gay_ 6y ago
      I think all you did was whatabout, with a little disclaimer that you're not really whatabouting.
      - thiagocesar 6y ago
        whataboutism /ˌwɒtəˈbaʊtɪz(ə)m/ noun BRITISH the technique or practice of responding to an accusation or difficult question by making a counter-accusation or raising a different issue.
        dandare 6y ago
        Everybody knows that NC does not hold the monopoly on being terrible - actually no one does hold such monopoly and this makes your statement useless truism. It fits the definition of whataboutism perfectly. I am not defending ICE, what they do is terrible, but it is not even remotely comparable to the scale and seriousness of human rights violation in NC torture camps.
        read_if_gay_ 6y ago
        If that doesn't describe your post precisely then what does? GP said X sucks. You respond by saying Y sucks too. Concurring that X does indeed suck as well doesn't fundamentally change your statement.
        pizza_worker 6y ago
        I was not responding to an accusation or difficult question. I was raising the fact that the same things happens nearby - and one might feel the same sickness over it. And maybe do something about it.
        read_if_gay_ 6y ago
        > I was not responding to an accusation or difficult question. You're arguing based on technical details of the particular definition you chose here. If I were to say well, ICE is indeed terrible, but innocent dogs in your local animal shelter are being abused and suffering and you can easily do something about it by adopting one - would you say that's not whataboutism because I was not responding to an accusation or difficult question? I think this kind of statement captures the meaning of whataboutism perfectly.
- poisonarena 6y ago
  How is ICE even remotely comparable?
  - quercusgrisea 6y ago
    They put child prisoners in cages owned by for-profit prison companies
    - danielrpa 6y ago
      It's not comparable in scale. ICE does terrible things and these things need to stop. They need to stop now. At the same time, let's not create a false equivalence. The scale matters - killing one person is monstrous, but killing 1 million is in a completely different moral level. What I'm trying to say is that the scale of repression of free will and thinking, torture, murder, impoverishment you observe in NK is simply incomparable, from any reasonable angle, to anything happening in western democracies (and to many other countries that aren't western democracies).
      - quercusgrisea 6y ago
        You rightly acknowledge that it's a difference in scale not in kind.
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andi999 6y ago
How do you know it is true and not black propaganda? It is a serious question, I want to try to settle it for me. I got a bit more careful about infos when I heard like 'xx is dead'.. 'oh, now he is well again'. Edit: also the only person who escaped camp 14 turned out to be unreliable (probably pressured to spice up his story). Honestly point me to evidence (and not like because everybody says so). I believe there is strong political motives to paint NK in a bad light (which might be justified of course) Edit2: maybe the downvoters can link to what convinced them?
- corin_ 6y ago
  There's just a huge amount of evidence from a large number of solid sources, and I guess the reason people downvoted without replying is that unless you're really incapable of very basic googling you could be trolling. If sincere, maybe start with this wikipedia page and follow its sources. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_North_Korea https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_North_Korea
- dontcarethrow2 6y ago
  I also like yo remain skeptical ubtil I see things with my own eyes. Our views are heavily controlled by the MSM, I've never been able to buy into what they are selling. It is way too convenient since we are the main war machine in the past half century. They never get local shit right so Im also supposed to believe Mordor exists? How far fetched of an idea we got everyone to believe. Who's got the ring?
pvaldes 6y ago
> I can not think about anything NC related without also thinking about the unimaginable torture of prisoners that is happening right now. Yep, I Agree, Guantanamo is a terrible place.
- dandare 6y ago
  Don't get me wrong, Guantanamo is a terrible place where human rights are blatantly violated and prisoners routinely abused, many times even tortured. Waterboarding is an insanely cruel torture technique. But it does not compare to NC prison camps, neither in scale nor in sheer horor.
disown 6y ago
Why? What's happening in north carolina?

Maybe I suffer from a mental illness or something but I can not think about anything NC related without also thinking about the unimaginable torture of prisoners that is happening right now.

pizza_worker 6y ago

Have you ever heard of ICE? Not that NK is in anyway acceptable - it’s a sad mess. But you must be aware that they do not hold a monopoly on being terrible.

deathgrips 6y ago
Have you ever heard of whataboutism?
- supernihil 6y ago
  Whataboutism: the art of reducing everything to a needle in a haystack. :-)
- pizza_worker 6y ago
  Yeah, but I did not what about, did I? I expressed the fact that absolutely everything about NK is unacceptable. But if parent poster is deeply bothered by certain inhumane acts, then they should be aware that there are terrible things happening, things which would make him sick, and differently from NK, situations such as ICE may actually be changed with enough public pressure.
  - read_if_gay_ 6y ago
    I think all you did was whatabout, with a little disclaimer that you're not really whatabouting.
    - thiagocesar 6y ago
      whataboutism /ˌwɒtəˈbaʊtɪz(ə)m/ noun BRITISH the technique or practice of responding to an accusation or difficult question by making a counter-accusation or raising a different issue.
      - dandare 6y ago
        Everybody knows that NC does not hold the monopoly on being terrible - actually no one does hold such monopoly and this makes your statement useless truism. It fits the definition of whataboutism perfectly. I am not defending ICE, what they do is terrible, but it is not even remotely comparable to the scale and seriousness of human rights violation in NC torture camps.
      - read_if_gay_ 6y ago
        If that doesn't describe your post precisely then what does? GP said X sucks. You respond by saying Y sucks too. Concurring that X does indeed suck as well doesn't fundamentally change your statement.
        pizza_worker 6y ago
        I was not responding to an accusation or difficult question. I was raising the fact that the same things happens nearby - and one might feel the same sickness over it. And maybe do something about it.
        read_if_gay_ 6y ago
        > I was not responding to an accusation or difficult question. You're arguing based on technical details of the particular definition you chose here. If I were to say well, ICE is indeed terrible, but innocent dogs in your local animal shelter are being abused and suffering and you can easily do something about it by adopting one - would you say that's not whataboutism because I was not responding to an accusation or difficult question? I think this kind of statement captures the meaning of whataboutism perfectly.
poisonarena 6y ago
How is ICE even remotely comparable?
- quercusgrisea 6y ago
  They put child prisoners in cages owned by for-profit prison companies
  - danielrpa 6y ago
    It's not comparable in scale. ICE does terrible things and these things need to stop. They need to stop now. At the same time, let's not create a false equivalence. The scale matters - killing one person is monstrous, but killing 1 million is in a completely different moral level. What I'm trying to say is that the scale of repression of free will and thinking, torture, murder, impoverishment you observe in NK is simply incomparable, from any reasonable angle, to anything happening in western democracies (and to many other countries that aren't western democracies).
    - quercusgrisea 6y ago
      You rightly acknowledge that it's a difference in scale not in kind.

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andi999 6y ago

How do you know it is true and not black propaganda? It is a serious question, I want to try to settle it for me. I got a bit more careful about infos when I heard like 'xx is dead'.. 'oh, now he is well again'. Edit: also the only person who escaped camp 14 turned out to be unreliable (probably pressured to spice up his story). Honestly point me to evidence (and not like because everybody says so). I believe there is strong political motives to paint NK in a bad light (which might be justified of course) Edit2: maybe the downvoters can link to what convinced them?

corin_ 6y ago
There's just a huge amount of evidence from a large number of solid sources, and I guess the reason people downvoted without replying is that unless you're really incapable of very basic googling you could be trolling. If sincere, maybe start with this wikipedia page and follow its sources. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_North_Korea https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_North_Korea
dontcarethrow2 6y ago
I also like yo remain skeptical ubtil I see things with my own eyes. Our views are heavily controlled by the MSM, I've never been able to buy into what they are selling. It is way too convenient since we are the main war machine in the past half century. They never get local shit right so Im also supposed to believe Mordor exists? How far fetched of an idea we got everyone to believe. Who's got the ring?

pvaldes 6y ago

> I can not think about anything NC related without also thinking about the unimaginable torture of prisoners that is happening right now. Yep, I Agree, Guantanamo is a terrible place.

dandare 6y ago
Don't get me wrong, Guantanamo is a terrible place where human rights are blatantly violated and prisoners routinely abused, many times even tortured. Waterboarding is an insanely cruel torture technique. But it does not compare to NC prison camps, neither in scale nor in sheer horor.

disown 6y ago

Why? What's happening in north carolina?