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How are people not up to their eyeballs in monthly subscriptions at this point? I've always been wary of adding subscriptions, but it feels like there's got to

by tempsy 6y ago

How are people not up to their eyeballs in monthly subscriptions at this point? I've always been wary of adding subscriptions, but it feels like there's got to be some breaking point when there's one too many Netflix/Disney/Hulu/Apple One/Peloton subscriptions to handle for your average consumer.

gjsman-1000 6y ago
For some people I know, everything as a subscription is a lifestyle. House as a Service (renting), movies galore, MacBook with 0% interest 24 month financing (basically a subscription), phones with 2-year payments (also a subscription), cars with loans (subscription)... Basically, if you view everything as no ownership, all subscription... it's a very weird dystopian way of "owning" things.
- rootusrootus 6y ago
  All of those can potentially be the best financial choice. Especially the 0% loans.
  - corytheboyd 6y ago
    Many of them are also deferred payment on something that is eventually owned, which is different than SaaS
dastbe 6y ago
I also wonder how many people aren't realizing just how much they're devoting to subscriptions, especially those with dark patterns where they sign you up for a 1-3 month introductory rate and then jack up the price significantly after that. I review my monthly charges every few months and cut anything that isn't giving me enough joy, but I also imagine I'm a rarity.
- hansvm 6y ago
  I tend to cancel the subscription as soon as I've purchased it so that I can't possibly forget in the future. You'll still have the 1-3 months you initially paid for, and if it winds up being a service that's worth continuing then you can subscribe for longer (I'll usually pay for a year and immediately cancel at that point).
- phillc73 6y ago
  > dark patterns I was pleasantly surprised by Netflix recently. After avoiding using the service until recently, I was motivated enough to subscribe by one particular film I wanted to watch. Initially, they automatically upgraded me to the Premium subscription level on a trial basis. When that trial time period ended I received an email saying, "do nothing and we'll downgrade you to the Standard subscription level." That was truly a pleasant surprise. I did nothing.
  - Fire-Dragon-DoL 6y ago
    On the opposite note, amazon goes out of the way to make sure you don't unsubscribe.
shoo 6y ago
One way to think about subscriptions is to translate them into additional-years-to-retirement. How much capital would you need to accumulate to generate enough investment income to pay for the recurring expense? How many years of extra work would you need to accumulate that amount of extra capital from savings? For example: suppose we're considering a recurring expense of $10 / month = $120 / year. How much capital K would we need to generate income to pay for this expense? Assuming a 4% real annual return on invested capital [+], we'd need K = $120/0.04 = $3k. How many years of work does it take to accumulate savings of $K capital to invest? Assume a median US individual annual income of around $30k and an optimistic savings rate of 5%. Savings per year = $30k * 0.05 = $1.5k / year. Years of work required to accumulate enough capital to cover a $10 / month recurring expense: $3k / ($1.5k / year) = 2 years [#]. In this scenario, avoiding the $10 / month recurring expense is roughly equivalent to retiring 2 years earlier than otherwise. [+] i.e. the long-run annual real return from investing 100% into the stock market given current market conditions [#] this over-estimates the amount of work required by a few percent as it neglects that we can start investing our savings while we are accumulating it
emerged 6y ago
In principle it's not much different than any one time purchase. Each consumer can afford a certain amount and they prioritize which to buy that month. The rich just subscribe to everything, others who are at their limit have to prioritize and draw the line somewhere.
- centimeter 6y ago
  > The rich just subscribe to everything I’m pretty rich and I pirate things rather than having a million separate streaming accounts - out of moral concern as much as convenience.
austhrow743 6y ago
A ton of SaaS is business facing. Not much more beyond what you listed is aimed at consumers. Businesses already think of expenses in terms of time period and even prior to SaaS being normal they'd be paying for customer support, maintenance, custom development, etc as a service on top of their software purchase anyway.

by tempsy 6y ago

gjsman-1000 6y ago

For some people I know, everything as a subscription is a lifestyle. House as a Service (renting), movies galore, MacBook with 0% interest 24 month financing (basically a subscription), phones with 2-year payments (also a subscription), cars with loans (subscription)... Basically, if you view everything as no ownership, all subscription... it's a very weird dystopian way of "owning" things.

rootusrootus 6y ago
All of those can potentially be the best financial choice. Especially the 0% loans.
- corytheboyd 6y ago
  Many of them are also deferred payment on something that is eventually owned, which is different than SaaS

dastbe 6y ago

I also wonder how many people aren't realizing just how much they're devoting to subscriptions, especially those with dark patterns where they sign you up for a 1-3 month introductory rate and then jack up the price significantly after that. I review my monthly charges every few months and cut anything that isn't giving me enough joy, but I also imagine I'm a rarity.

hansvm 6y ago
I tend to cancel the subscription as soon as I've purchased it so that I can't possibly forget in the future. You'll still have the 1-3 months you initially paid for, and if it winds up being a service that's worth continuing then you can subscribe for longer (I'll usually pay for a year and immediately cancel at that point).
phillc73 6y ago
> dark patterns I was pleasantly surprised by Netflix recently. After avoiding using the service until recently, I was motivated enough to subscribe by one particular film I wanted to watch. Initially, they automatically upgraded me to the Premium subscription level on a trial basis. When that trial time period ended I received an email saying, "do nothing and we'll downgrade you to the Standard subscription level." That was truly a pleasant surprise. I did nothing.
- Fire-Dragon-DoL 6y ago
  On the opposite note, amazon goes out of the way to make sure you don't unsubscribe.

shoo 6y ago

One way to think about subscriptions is to translate them into additional-years-to-retirement. How much capital would you need to accumulate to generate enough investment income to pay for the recurring expense? How many years of extra work would you need to accumulate that amount of extra capital from savings? For example: suppose we're considering a recurring expense of $10 / month = $120 / year. How much capital K would we need to generate income to pay for this expense? Assuming a 4% real annual return on invested capital [+], we'd need K = $120/0.04 = $3k. How many years of work does it take to accumulate savings of $K capital to invest? Assume a median US individual annual income of around $30k and an optimistic savings rate of 5%. Savings per year = $30k * 0.05 = $1.5k / year. Years of work required to accumulate enough capital to cover a $10 / month recurring expense: $3k / ($1.5k / year) = 2 years [#]. In this scenario, avoiding the $10 / month recurring expense is roughly equivalent to retiring 2 years earlier than otherwise. [+] i.e. the long-run annual real return from investing 100% into the stock market given current market conditions [#] this over-estimates the amount of work required by a few percent as it neglects that we can start investing our savings while we are accumulating it

emerged 6y ago

In principle it's not much different than any one time purchase. Each consumer can afford a certain amount and they prioritize which to buy that month. The rich just subscribe to everything, others who are at their limit have to prioritize and draw the line somewhere.

centimeter 6y ago
> The rich just subscribe to everything I’m pretty rich and I pirate things rather than having a million separate streaming accounts - out of moral concern as much as convenience.

austhrow743 6y ago

A ton of SaaS is business facing. Not much more beyond what you listed is aimed at consumers. Businesses already think of expenses in terms of time period and even prior to SaaS being normal they'd be paying for customer support, maintenance, custom development, etc as a service on top of their software purchase anyway.