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>The keybindings need to be fixed. CUA has been the norm for what, 35 years at this point. M-x cua-mode<return> Oh, and you're welcome.

Qwertious 6y ago
Thatcs not the norm. That's an off-by-default feature that doesn't display its existence to people who would use it.
- nobody9999 6y ago
  >Thatcs not the norm So what? Is your argument that if not many people/products/software packages do a certain thing a certain way, they should be rejected out of hand? Back when I was a teen, I rode my skateboard goofy-footed[0]. That wasn't (and still isn't) the norm. Should I have been chastised or prevented from doing so? I'm also left-handed. While I do keep the mouse on the left side of my keyboard, I do not swap the mouse buttons. As such, a right-click is done with my index finger and a left-click with my middle finger. That's not the norm either. Should I be criticized for that? Chrome is, by far, the "norm" for web browsers. I use Firefox, and occasionally Vivaldi. Should FF or Vivaldi just make themselves clones of Chrome because they're not "the norm"? I run sendmail and not postfix, even though that's much more "the norm." Does that make my MTA bad or less useful? I could probably rattle off a dozen other similar things that aren't "the norm." Does that mean no one should do things that way or use them? If you want/need an editor that uses CUA by default, there are dozens of editors that do so. Why should Emacs (or any other product that you don't contribute to or use) do things the way you want them to do so? [0] https://www.liveabout.com/goofy-meaning-3002686 https://www.liveabout.com/goofy-meaning-3002686
CJefferson 6y ago
If it's so easy to switch, and a beginner is more likely to want it on, why not set it on by default and let everyone who wants it off put it in their config?
- nobody9999 6y ago
  >If it's so easy to switch, and a beginner is more likely to want it on, why not set it on by default and let everyone who wants it off put it in their config? Why is it important to prioritize beginners over experienced users? I can understand that point of view in the context of a new product, or one that is struggling to make money from an existing product. But last I checked, Emacs is free software, with no impetus for increasing "user counts" or "market share," since "revenue" from "sales" of GNU Emacs remains the same regardless of either. Perhaps you might ask the fine folks over at Lugaru Software, ltd.[0] why they haven't done so. Espeially since they've been selling their emacs-based Epsilon Programmer's Editor since 1984[1][2], which, incidentally, was before GNU Emacs was available for any desktop computers. [0] https://www.lugaru.com/ https://www.lugaru.com/ [1] https://www.lugaru.com/history.html https://www.lugaru.com/history.html [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epsilon_(text_editor) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epsilon_(text_editor)
  - CJefferson 6y ago
    > Why is it important to prioritize beginners over experienced users? In my opinion, because experienced users know how to configure their editor while beginners don't. If "every expert" has their own tuned configuration, they really shouldn't care what the defaults are. It is (in my opinion) crazy to have options designed to make a system easier to use, which have to be searched out and turned on. If Emacs doesn't care about user counts or market share, great. Emacs users can stop posting about it, and it can quietly fade away.

Qwertious 6y ago

Thatcs not the norm. That's an off-by-default feature that doesn't display its existence to people who would use it.

nobody9999 6y ago
>Thatcs not the norm So what? Is your argument that if not many people/products/software packages do a certain thing a certain way, they should be rejected out of hand? Back when I was a teen, I rode my skateboard goofy-footed[0]. That wasn't (and still isn't) the norm. Should I have been chastised or prevented from doing so? I'm also left-handed. While I do keep the mouse on the left side of my keyboard, I do not swap the mouse buttons. As such, a right-click is done with my index finger and a left-click with my middle finger. That's not the norm either. Should I be criticized for that? Chrome is, by far, the "norm" for web browsers. I use Firefox, and occasionally Vivaldi. Should FF or Vivaldi just make themselves clones of Chrome because they're not "the norm"? I run sendmail and not postfix, even though that's much more "the norm." Does that make my MTA bad or less useful? I could probably rattle off a dozen other similar things that aren't "the norm." Does that mean no one should do things that way or use them? If you want/need an editor that uses CUA by default, there are dozens of editors that do so. Why should Emacs (or any other product that you don't contribute to or use) do things the way you want them to do so? [0] https://www.liveabout.com/goofy-meaning-3002686 https://www.liveabout.com/goofy-meaning-3002686

CJefferson 6y ago

If it's so easy to switch, and a beginner is more likely to want it on, why not set it on by default and let everyone who wants it off put it in their config?

nobody9999 6y ago
>If it's so easy to switch, and a beginner is more likely to want it on, why not set it on by default and let everyone who wants it off put it in their config? Why is it important to prioritize beginners over experienced users? I can understand that point of view in the context of a new product, or one that is struggling to make money from an existing product. But last I checked, Emacs is free software, with no impetus for increasing "user counts" or "market share," since "revenue" from "sales" of GNU Emacs remains the same regardless of either. Perhaps you might ask the fine folks over at Lugaru Software, ltd.[0] why they haven't done so. Espeially since they've been selling their emacs-based Epsilon Programmer's Editor since 1984[1][2], which, incidentally, was before GNU Emacs was available for any desktop computers. [0] https://www.lugaru.com/ https://www.lugaru.com/ [1] https://www.lugaru.com/history.html https://www.lugaru.com/history.html [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epsilon_(text_editor) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epsilon_(text_editor)
- CJefferson 6y ago
  > Why is it important to prioritize beginners over experienced users? In my opinion, because experienced users know how to configure their editor while beginners don't. If "every expert" has their own tuned configuration, they really shouldn't care what the defaults are. It is (in my opinion) crazy to have options designed to make a system easier to use, which have to be searched out and turned on. If Emacs doesn't care about user counts or market share, great. Emacs users can stop posting about it, and it can quietly fade away.