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Traffic laws especially are absolutely made for everyone as are most laws and social rules. The parable is upside down: The man was almost assuredly 'not late

by jariel 6y ago

Traffic laws especially are absolutely made for everyone as are most laws and social rules. The parable is upside down: The man was almost assuredly 'not late for his job' (though possibly), he was probably just driving the wrong way because he could, because that's what everyone else does, and it's the 'de facto' rule. If he and everyone else actually followed traffic rules - then they would all be less likely to be late, they would all be probably somewhat wealthier, especially if they followed the other rules as well. "He took a bribe to feed his family" - maybe - but we need to stop taking bribes. I think there's a good bit in Sam's point about why PG and Jessica were able to do it, but it also has to be taken in context: they were starting from a place of exceptional place, arguably from 'privilege' (is how some people would describe it).

Judgmentality 6y ago
> If he and everyone else actually followed traffic rules - then they would all be less likely to be late, they would all be probably somewhat wealthier, especially if they followed the other rules as well. How does obeying traffic laws make you wealthier? Unless you're just referring to the cost of the infraction (assuming you get cited).
- andi999 6y ago
  By getting less involved in accidents.
- jariel 6y ago
  If everyone obeys the traffic laws, everyone saves time, every process in the country is more efficient, everyone is wealthier and safer. There are a ton of second order effects: + Considerably fewer accidents, meaning more efficient use of medical staff. + Considerably cheaper insurance (all things being equal) And tons of 3rd order effects: + A completely chaotic transportation system means it's probably difficult to transport a lot of things efficiently - and certain industrial systems may not be possible. + If people don't generally obey traffic rules, there are probably a ton of situations wherein driving would be literally too dangerous. The example is Germany: where they are very well socialized and follow the rules (even in auto making and quality) they can drive a zillion miles an hour on the highway, still relatively safely. You can't do that unless everyone plays the game. 'Intelligent Social Organization' is literally the foundation of civilization. It's not 'natural resources' that make us rich, it's our institutions, intergenerational intelligence and 'rules' of various kinds: social, legal, cultural upon which the former two artifacts depend. The irony of the parable is that the 'traffic cheater' may be doing something he 'needs to do' but it's that very activity which is limiting he and his own community's ability to be successful.

by jariel 6y ago

Judgmentality 6y ago

> If he and everyone else actually followed traffic rules - then they would all be less likely to be late, they would all be probably somewhat wealthier, especially if they followed the other rules as well. How does obeying traffic laws make you wealthier? Unless you're just referring to the cost of the infraction (assuming you get cited).

andi999 6y ago
By getting less involved in accidents.
jariel 6y ago
If everyone obeys the traffic laws, everyone saves time, every process in the country is more efficient, everyone is wealthier and safer. There are a ton of second order effects: + Considerably fewer accidents, meaning more efficient use of medical staff. + Considerably cheaper insurance (all things being equal) And tons of 3rd order effects: + A completely chaotic transportation system means it's probably difficult to transport a lot of things efficiently - and certain industrial systems may not be possible. + If people don't generally obey traffic rules, there are probably a ton of situations wherein driving would be literally too dangerous. The example is Germany: where they are very well socialized and follow the rules (even in auto making and quality) they can drive a zillion miles an hour on the highway, still relatively safely. You can't do that unless everyone plays the game. 'Intelligent Social Organization' is literally the foundation of civilization. It's not 'natural resources' that make us rich, it's our institutions, intergenerational intelligence and 'rules' of various kinds: social, legal, cultural upon which the former two artifacts depend. The irony of the parable is that the 'traffic cheater' may be doing something he 'needs to do' but it's that very activity which is limiting he and his own community's ability to be successful.