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Even if I wanted to relearn (I don't), you still have the problem of inconsistencies. In terminal copy is Shift-Ctrl-C, in Firefox it's Ctrl-C, and you don't h

Even if I wanted to relearn (I don't), you still have the problem of inconsistencies. In terminal copy is Shift-Ctrl-C, in Firefox it's Ctrl-C, and you don't have all of the emacs bindings my muscle memory relies on (which is a big deal for me - I use them all and all the time).

zwayhowder 6y ago
Or just highlight the text and middle mouse button to paste. A standard in X11 for a long time that drives me up the wall on Windows and MacOS when I wonder why the text I just "copied" isn't pasting.
pkulak 6y ago
Literally the only app I've every used in all my years of Linux that doesn't have Ctrl-C/V is the terminal (for obvious reasons). But that's so easy to re-map that it's not worth complaining about: https://github.com/pkulak/dotfiles/blob/master/.config/alacritty/alacritty.yml#L2 https://github.com/pkulak/dotfiles/blob/master/.config/alacr... I had no idea that Mac used emacs bindings all over the place though. If I was used to using them, that would probably have been a deal breaker for me too.
- FullyFunctional 6y ago
  That is amazing. Pray-tell, what exactly do you use the terminal for? All the control characters have pre-existing meaning, for example in bash Ctrl-C sends SIGTERM to the foreground process, while emacs uses it a prefix command, etc. This is the crux of the problem. You _cannot_ steal the control characters if you want the terminal to be a terminal and that means you either end up with an inconsistent mess or you pick a new and neutral (say, Cmd) modifier for your UI needs. Apple got it, Microsoft didn't (because they didn't do anything Unix like). That Linux chose to imitate Microsoft is equal part historical and tragedy. EDIT: typos'R'Us
  - pkulak 6y ago
    Hmm... not sure what you mean. I just swapped ctr-c and ctrl-shift-c so that copy would be the same in every app. Not to drag us too deep into philosophy, but you can make a pretty good case for the Linux way as well. On my machine, the super key is mapped exclusively to window manager shortcuts. It's how I move, close and resize windows, change splits, open apps, switch workspaces, pop open temp terminals, emojii choosers, a calculator, all that quality of life stuff. Copying and pasting is an app thing, and apps get ctrl and alt as their modifiers. It does make sense to me.
    - FullyFunctional 6y ago
      You clearly aren't an emacs user. Remapping the control and alt key will make it very difficult to use. Same goes for a few other "TUI" applications like it.
      - pkulak 6y ago
        No, not at all. I won't use Mac-only software. ;)

zwayhowder 6y ago

Or just highlight the text and middle mouse button to paste. A standard in X11 for a long time that drives me up the wall on Windows and MacOS when I wonder why the text I just "copied" isn't pasting.

pkulak 6y ago

Literally the only app I've every used in all my years of Linux that doesn't have Ctrl-C/V is the terminal (for obvious reasons). But that's so easy to re-map that it's not worth complaining about: https://github.com/pkulak/dotfiles/blob/master/.config/alacritty/alacritty.yml#L2 https://github.com/pkulak/dotfiles/blob/master/.config/alacr... I had no idea that Mac used emacs bindings all over the place though. If I was used to using them, that would probably have been a deal breaker for me too.

FullyFunctional 6y ago
That is amazing. Pray-tell, what exactly do you use the terminal for? All the control characters have pre-existing meaning, for example in bash Ctrl-C sends SIGTERM to the foreground process, while emacs uses it a prefix command, etc. This is the crux of the problem. You _cannot_ steal the control characters if you want the terminal to be a terminal and that means you either end up with an inconsistent mess or you pick a new and neutral (say, Cmd) modifier for your UI needs. Apple got it, Microsoft didn't (because they didn't do anything Unix like). That Linux chose to imitate Microsoft is equal part historical and tragedy. EDIT: typos'R'Us
- pkulak 6y ago
  Hmm... not sure what you mean. I just swapped ctr-c and ctrl-shift-c so that copy would be the same in every app. Not to drag us too deep into philosophy, but you can make a pretty good case for the Linux way as well. On my machine, the super key is mapped exclusively to window manager shortcuts. It's how I move, close and resize windows, change splits, open apps, switch workspaces, pop open temp terminals, emojii choosers, a calculator, all that quality of life stuff. Copying and pasting is an app thing, and apps get ctrl and alt as their modifiers. It does make sense to me.
  - FullyFunctional 6y ago
    You clearly aren't an emacs user. Remapping the control and alt key will make it very difficult to use. Same goes for a few other "TUI" applications like it.
    - pkulak 6y ago
      No, not at all. I won't use Mac-only software. ;)