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Aside from general documentation of damage, cameras can also be used to measure the body and movement (for instance gait) of the criminal, which is actually use

by kebman 6y ago

Aside from general documentation of damage, cameras can also be used to measure the body and movement (for instance gait) of the criminal, which is actually useful for an investigator. It shows where the criminal walked, which is also useful for securing tracks, prints or even DNA samples. Means you can save a ton of time looking. Many criminals aren't smart enough to discard or burn their clothes after use either, so this would also positively ID the perp if found. So yeah, I'd say that cameras are pretty useful for investigating crimes outside of mere facial recognition. ^^

reaperducer 6y ago
cameras can also be used to measure the body and movement (for instance gait) of the criminal, which is actually useful for an investigator For a theoretical investigator. Police departments don't have the money, manpower, or time to do gait analysis on a burglary suspect. And outside of China, is that even considered evidence in a real court of law?
- mountainb 6y ago
  Yes. This is absolutely done when assessing and comparing security footage. Burglars are often serial burglars (it's their job or hobby to steal stuff), and many of them show up on camera multiple times from different angles. Crime goes by some skewed power law distributions and a relatively small number of people do most of the crime in any given area. As an aside, security camera footage of a crime in your house is also great for your criminal defense (if you are going to use violence against the intruder) and for pressing a claim to an insurance company. If the intruder pulls a gun on you and you shoot him in response on camera, you can use that piece of evidence to get charges dropped against you or to prevent the police from even recommending charges in the first place.
- anjel 6y ago
  Does Palantir accept citizen's uploads?
owenmarshall 6y ago
This strikes me as laughably naive. I once had my residence burglarized. The police came hours after they were called and stayed long enough (10 minutes) to write a report that took me weeks to get which essentially said "door kicked in, owner said these things gone." That was it: no attempts to follow up with my neighbor that had security cameras, no attempt to run fingerprints on the metal pipe that was found outside that was almost certainly used to break the window, nothing. If your surveillance drone doesn't get a crystal clear picture of the face of the person who broke into your house, absolutely no one is going to attempt to pull prints or tracks or DNA samples from what it captured. And even if it did get a crystal clear picture, you'll be lucky to get someone to look at it.
- panopticon 6y ago
  My Nest cam clearly caught the thief, but the police refused to take the video unless it was on DVD. It wasn't worth the effort (I don't even have a DVD burner anymore), but the police gave me a case number to satisfy my insurance claim. That's all there was to it; no other followup.
  - xsmasher 6y ago
    > the police gave me a case number to satisfy my insurance claim This is the purpose of the visit - to verify that it was a real break-in and not someone scamming their insurance company. Catching the thief is nowhere on their priorities.
  - schaefer 6y ago
    Okay, so the investigation stalled on you. There was no follow up... by you.
    - panopticon 6y ago
      I tried to be accommodating and suggested at least 5 different means of sharing the video with the police. I even offered to provide a description of the person I saw in the video, and they told me not to bother. I got the distinct impression that even if I did jump through hoops to provide a DVD that they wouldn't be seriously investigating the theft. The officer who took my statement basically said as much.
ClikeX 6y ago
Police rarely goes after theft here. They basically come to assess if it was a break-in. But don't expect to see your stuff again. It's better to focus on making sure it's not worth someone's time to get in. Such as keeping expensive, easy to grab, items out of sight. And then just have good locks and a loud alarm. Adding a camera should be the last thing you do to your setup.
CamperBob2 6y ago
Wouldn't hold out much hope for the Creedence, though.
jkestner 6y ago
The police are there to notarize your claims to the insurance company, as siblings illustrate. Once you're made whole, do you want to take the time to put a petty thief on trial? Every break-in is not an episode of Law & Order.

by kebman 6y ago

reaperducer 6y ago

cameras can also be used to measure the body and movement (for instance gait) of the criminal, which is actually useful for an investigator For a theoretical investigator. Police departments don't have the money, manpower, or time to do gait analysis on a burglary suspect. And outside of China, is that even considered evidence in a real court of law?

mountainb 6y ago
Yes. This is absolutely done when assessing and comparing security footage. Burglars are often serial burglars (it's their job or hobby to steal stuff), and many of them show up on camera multiple times from different angles. Crime goes by some skewed power law distributions and a relatively small number of people do most of the crime in any given area. As an aside, security camera footage of a crime in your house is also great for your criminal defense (if you are going to use violence against the intruder) and for pressing a claim to an insurance company. If the intruder pulls a gun on you and you shoot him in response on camera, you can use that piece of evidence to get charges dropped against you or to prevent the police from even recommending charges in the first place.
anjel 6y ago
Does Palantir accept citizen's uploads?

owenmarshall 6y ago

This strikes me as laughably naive. I once had my residence burglarized. The police came hours after they were called and stayed long enough (10 minutes) to write a report that took me weeks to get which essentially said "door kicked in, owner said these things gone." That was it: no attempts to follow up with my neighbor that had security cameras, no attempt to run fingerprints on the metal pipe that was found outside that was almost certainly used to break the window, nothing. If your surveillance drone doesn't get a crystal clear picture of the face of the person who broke into your house, absolutely no one is going to attempt to pull prints or tracks or DNA samples from what it captured. And even if it did get a crystal clear picture, you'll be lucky to get someone to look at it.

panopticon 6y ago
My Nest cam clearly caught the thief, but the police refused to take the video unless it was on DVD. It wasn't worth the effort (I don't even have a DVD burner anymore), but the police gave me a case number to satisfy my insurance claim. That's all there was to it; no other followup.
- xsmasher 6y ago
  > the police gave me a case number to satisfy my insurance claim This is the purpose of the visit - to verify that it was a real break-in and not someone scamming their insurance company. Catching the thief is nowhere on their priorities.
- schaefer 6y ago
  Okay, so the investigation stalled on you. There was no follow up... by you.
  - panopticon 6y ago
    I tried to be accommodating and suggested at least 5 different means of sharing the video with the police. I even offered to provide a description of the person I saw in the video, and they told me not to bother. I got the distinct impression that even if I did jump through hoops to provide a DVD that they wouldn't be seriously investigating the theft. The officer who took my statement basically said as much.

ClikeX 6y ago

Police rarely goes after theft here. They basically come to assess if it was a break-in. But don't expect to see your stuff again. It's better to focus on making sure it's not worth someone's time to get in. Such as keeping expensive, easy to grab, items out of sight. And then just have good locks and a loud alarm. Adding a camera should be the last thing you do to your setup.

CamperBob2 6y ago

Wouldn't hold out much hope for the Creedence, though.

jkestner 6y ago

The police are there to notarize your claims to the insurance company, as siblings illustrate. Once you're made whole, do you want to take the time to put a petty thief on trial? Every break-in is not an episode of Law & Order.