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I take offense to your assertion that people that rely on safety nets are not “productive members of society”.

• luckylion 6y ago
  If you're not producing anything, you're not productive. They're still members of society, but they're not contributing. I'd rather have them return to contributing than pretending that, if we didn't have people who are lazy, we'd invent them.
  • jlokier 6y ago
    So, someone who nurses a relative in need 24x7 is "not contributing"? Those carers are often entirely dependent on safety nets. That is far from lazy! It's an exhausting thing to do.
    • luckylion 6y ago
      That's not who I was talking about, and it's not a large part of those who perpetually rely on benefits. It's also not common, we've generally got that solved in Europe.
      • jlokier 6y ago
        I'm in Europe too. It's not solved, and it's very common indeed. At any time there are millions of unpaid carers. For many of them full-time work is completely infeasible, and for many others part-time work is infeasible as well. Heck, for some even getting out to the shops is difficult, as how do you go out if you need to stay with your cared for person all the time. Maybe you'd consider it solved if you count the benefits on which so many carers rely; certainly not without them. Even then, I find it striking that benefits for carers where I live are lower than benefits for an unemployed person. As though a carer needs less to live on.