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I mean, who actually does need an array of security cameras? Traditional alarms work well without the need for cameras, specially when cameras are simply defeat

I mean, who actually does need an array of security cameras? Traditional alarms work well without the need for cameras, specially when cameras are simply defeated by a face covering. At that point, the camera is just a glorified motion sensor. In the case of the drone, it's just a geeky toy that will be inevitably marketed via fear-mongering, so they can collect even more data on you.

the-pigeon 6y ago
My only thought for practical use would be to checkup on a pet while you are away from home. Since if the pet has feel roam of the house you can't necessarily see if from a stationary camera.
- reaperducer 6y ago
  Point the camera at the food dish. When I go away, I put my old launch-day iPhone on a dock and aim it at the food dish. I has an app that polls that camera and checks for movement. If movement is detected, it sends a series of stills to me by e-mail. The app is no longer available on the App Store, but it keeps working because the iPhone is too old to connect to the App Store and be told that the app no longer exists. But I should think that there's a modern equivalent out there somewhere.
  - jjav 6y ago
    > The app is no longer available on the App Store, but it keeps working because the iPhone is too old to connect to the App Store and be told that the app no longer exists. Nice! But also sad that this is the only way one can keep running a desired app in this day where an external corporation controls what one is allowed to use.
    - tshaddox 6y ago
      I don’t think that apps on iPhones stop working just because the app was removed from from the store. You wouldn’t be able to get the app on a new phone, of course, but the old installed app should keep working. The comment might have been thinking of remotely-triggered app removal, which I believe is a rarely used function.
  - ThePowerOfFuet 6y ago
    Apps aren't removed from devices in the event they're removed from the store.
- leetcrew 6y ago
  good luck finding your cat after spinning up the beehive.
leetcrew 6y ago
you get most of the benefit out of a security camera before you even turn it on. past that, probably only useful to document the actions you take if someone breaks in while you're actually home.
- reaperducer 6y ago
  you get most of the benefit out of a security camera before you even turn it on Reminds me of how in the 80's, Radio Shack used to sell fake car alarm stickers.
  - nobody9999 6y ago
    >Reminds me of how in the 80's, Radio Shack used to sell fake car alarm stickers. Those aren't as useful as you might think. I grew up in NYC, and in the late '70s/early '80s, people put all sorts of stickers and signs on their cars. One time, I even saw a car with a broken window and a sign (presumably from the window that was broken) reading "No radio. Nothing of value." The person who broke the window (at least I assume it was them) helpfully jotted "Just checking" on the sign.
kebman 6y ago
Aside from general documentation of damage, cameras can also be used to measure the body and movement (for instance gait) of the criminal, which is actually useful for an investigator. It shows where the criminal walked, which is also useful for securing tracks, prints or even DNA samples. Means you can save a ton of time looking. Many criminals aren't smart enough to discard or burn their clothes after use either, so this would also positively ID the perp if found. So yeah, I'd say that cameras are pretty useful for investigating crimes outside of mere facial recognition. ^^
- reaperducer 6y ago
  cameras can also be used to measure the body and movement (for instance gait) of the criminal, which is actually useful for an investigator For a theoretical investigator. Police departments don't have the money, manpower, or time to do gait analysis on a burglary suspect. And outside of China, is that even considered evidence in a real court of law?
  - mountainb 6y ago
    Yes. This is absolutely done when assessing and comparing security footage. Burglars are often serial burglars (it's their job or hobby to steal stuff), and many of them show up on camera multiple times from different angles. Crime goes by some skewed power law distributions and a relatively small number of people do most of the crime in any given area. As an aside, security camera footage of a crime in your house is also great for your criminal defense (if you are going to use violence against the intruder) and for pressing a claim to an insurance company. If the intruder pulls a gun on you and you shoot him in response on camera, you can use that piece of evidence to get charges dropped against you or to prevent the police from even recommending charges in the first place.
  - anjel 6y ago
    Does Palantir accept citizen's uploads?
- owenmarshall 6y ago
  This strikes me as laughably naive. I once had my residence burglarized. The police came hours after they were called and stayed long enough (10 minutes) to write a report that took me weeks to get which essentially said "door kicked in, owner said these things gone." That was it: no attempts to follow up with my neighbor that had security cameras, no attempt to run fingerprints on the metal pipe that was found outside that was almost certainly used to break the window, nothing. If your surveillance drone doesn't get a crystal clear picture of the face of the person who broke into your house, absolutely no one is going to attempt to pull prints or tracks or DNA samples from what it captured. And even if it did get a crystal clear picture, you'll be lucky to get someone to look at it.
kube-system 6y ago
I've never been interested in using cameras for security concerns. By the time you need to use camera footage for a security concern, it's usually too late. I think they're really handy for monitoring the status of routine household tasks, though. "Did I get a package today? What time does the mail normally arrive? How is the dog doing? Did the garbage truck come by yet? Did the storm do any damage while I was away?"
- reaperducer 6y ago
  "Did I get a package today? What time does the mail normally arrive? How is the dog doing? Did the garbage truck come by yet? Did the storm do any damage while I was away?" Most of that sounds like the side-effects of FOMO. Did I get a package today? Unless you live in a neighborhood or building where packages get stolen, who cares? You'll find it when you get home. If it's important, you have a tracking number and know if it was delivered. What time does the mail normally arrive? Who cares? My office window overlooks the mailboxes, and it comes at a different time every day. As long as it comes. How is the dog doing? He's fine. And if he's not, you'll find out when you get home. Did the garbage truck come by yet? Who cares? Even when I had an HMO, we had eight hours to get the trash cans off the curb. Did the storm do any damage while I was away? Nice to know, if it's a tornado. But again, there's nothing you can do, so why do you need to know? It's not like you're not going to push a button on your phone and magically lift your patio set out of the neighbor's pool. If you come home and see flashing emergency lights, then yes, there is damage.
  - dylan604 6y ago
    > Who cares? Even when I had an HMO, we had eight hours to get the trash cans off the curb. What does your health care plan have to with getting talked to by the home owners association?
    - triceratops 6y ago
      They might've meant "HOA". Lol
  - 6y ago
Tiktaalik 6y ago
Useful perhaps for diagnosing how the criminal gained access, but not really useful at all beyond that.

the-pigeon 6y ago

My only thought for practical use would be to checkup on a pet while you are away from home. Since if the pet has feel roam of the house you can't necessarily see if from a stationary camera.

reaperducer 6y ago
Point the camera at the food dish. When I go away, I put my old launch-day iPhone on a dock and aim it at the food dish. I has an app that polls that camera and checks for movement. If movement is detected, it sends a series of stills to me by e-mail. The app is no longer available on the App Store, but it keeps working because the iPhone is too old to connect to the App Store and be told that the app no longer exists. But I should think that there's a modern equivalent out there somewhere.
- jjav 6y ago
  > The app is no longer available on the App Store, but it keeps working because the iPhone is too old to connect to the App Store and be told that the app no longer exists. Nice! But also sad that this is the only way one can keep running a desired app in this day where an external corporation controls what one is allowed to use.
  - tshaddox 6y ago
    I don’t think that apps on iPhones stop working just because the app was removed from from the store. You wouldn’t be able to get the app on a new phone, of course, but the old installed app should keep working. The comment might have been thinking of remotely-triggered app removal, which I believe is a rarely used function.
- ThePowerOfFuet 6y ago
  Apps aren't removed from devices in the event they're removed from the store.
leetcrew 6y ago
good luck finding your cat after spinning up the beehive.

leetcrew 6y ago

you get most of the benefit out of a security camera before you even turn it on. past that, probably only useful to document the actions you take if someone breaks in while you're actually home.

reaperducer 6y ago
you get most of the benefit out of a security camera before you even turn it on Reminds me of how in the 80's, Radio Shack used to sell fake car alarm stickers.
- nobody9999 6y ago
  >Reminds me of how in the 80's, Radio Shack used to sell fake car alarm stickers. Those aren't as useful as you might think. I grew up in NYC, and in the late '70s/early '80s, people put all sorts of stickers and signs on their cars. One time, I even saw a car with a broken window and a sign (presumably from the window that was broken) reading "No radio. Nothing of value." The person who broke the window (at least I assume it was them) helpfully jotted "Just checking" on the sign.

kebman 6y ago

Aside from general documentation of damage, cameras can also be used to measure the body and movement (for instance gait) of the criminal, which is actually useful for an investigator. It shows where the criminal walked, which is also useful for securing tracks, prints or even DNA samples. Means you can save a ton of time looking. Many criminals aren't smart enough to discard or burn their clothes after use either, so this would also positively ID the perp if found. So yeah, I'd say that cameras are pretty useful for investigating crimes outside of mere facial recognition. ^^

reaperducer 6y ago
cameras can also be used to measure the body and movement (for instance gait) of the criminal, which is actually useful for an investigator For a theoretical investigator. Police departments don't have the money, manpower, or time to do gait analysis on a burglary suspect. And outside of China, is that even considered evidence in a real court of law?
- mountainb 6y ago
  Yes. This is absolutely done when assessing and comparing security footage. Burglars are often serial burglars (it's their job or hobby to steal stuff), and many of them show up on camera multiple times from different angles. Crime goes by some skewed power law distributions and a relatively small number of people do most of the crime in any given area. As an aside, security camera footage of a crime in your house is also great for your criminal defense (if you are going to use violence against the intruder) and for pressing a claim to an insurance company. If the intruder pulls a gun on you and you shoot him in response on camera, you can use that piece of evidence to get charges dropped against you or to prevent the police from even recommending charges in the first place.
- anjel 6y ago
  Does Palantir accept citizen's uploads?
owenmarshall 6y ago
This strikes me as laughably naive. I once had my residence burglarized. The police came hours after they were called and stayed long enough (10 minutes) to write a report that took me weeks to get which essentially said "door kicked in, owner said these things gone." That was it: no attempts to follow up with my neighbor that had security cameras, no attempt to run fingerprints on the metal pipe that was found outside that was almost certainly used to break the window, nothing. If your surveillance drone doesn't get a crystal clear picture of the face of the person who broke into your house, absolutely no one is going to attempt to pull prints or tracks or DNA samples from what it captured. And even if it did get a crystal clear picture, you'll be lucky to get someone to look at it.

kube-system 6y ago

I've never been interested in using cameras for security concerns. By the time you need to use camera footage for a security concern, it's usually too late. I think they're really handy for monitoring the status of routine household tasks, though. "Did I get a package today? What time does the mail normally arrive? How is the dog doing? Did the garbage truck come by yet? Did the storm do any damage while I was away?"

reaperducer 6y ago
"Did I get a package today? What time does the mail normally arrive? How is the dog doing? Did the garbage truck come by yet? Did the storm do any damage while I was away?" Most of that sounds like the side-effects of FOMO. Did I get a package today? Unless you live in a neighborhood or building where packages get stolen, who cares? You'll find it when you get home. If it's important, you have a tracking number and know if it was delivered. What time does the mail normally arrive? Who cares? My office window overlooks the mailboxes, and it comes at a different time every day. As long as it comes. How is the dog doing? He's fine. And if he's not, you'll find out when you get home. Did the garbage truck come by yet? Who cares? Even when I had an HMO, we had eight hours to get the trash cans off the curb. Did the storm do any damage while I was away? Nice to know, if it's a tornado. But again, there's nothing you can do, so why do you need to know? It's not like you're not going to push a button on your phone and magically lift your patio set out of the neighbor's pool. If you come home and see flashing emergency lights, then yes, there is damage.
- dylan604 6y ago
  > Who cares? Even when I had an HMO, we had eight hours to get the trash cans off the curb. What does your health care plan have to with getting talked to by the home owners association?
  - triceratops 6y ago
    They might've meant "HOA". Lol
- 6y ago

Tiktaalik 6y ago

Useful perhaps for diagnosing how the criminal gained access, but not really useful at all beyond that.