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Check out Wahls Protocol.

by 6d6b73 6y ago

treeman79 6y ago
Looks similar to AIP diet. All anti inflammatory foods
- faeyanpiraat 6y ago
  I’m not convinced these diets work as advertised.. I’ve read tons of scientific papers and there are too many contradictions. For example these diets tend to forbid gluten intake, but some research imply better outcomes for patients with high whole grain intake. I’ve also read that inflamation is useful for preventing cancer, so what good is not having relapses when you get cancer from all the anti imflammatory stuff..
  - taurath 6y ago
    In theory if you’re comparing white bread eaters to whole grain eaters I’d imagine there would be a net benefit. I wonder if whole grain vs no grain has been studied.
  - Madmallard 6y ago
    Are you deep in biology like with a minimum BS or higher degree? If not, might just be too difficult to understand the value of the ideas. The lady prescribing the Wahls protocol is an MD so has a lot more invested into the field than the layperson. That said, she could still be wrong. One thing is for sure, there is no one-size-fits-all and there is no magic bullet. If there's something helpful for one condition, it's probably harmful for another. The body is a complex holistic system after all.
    - citboin 6y ago
      Dr.Wahls has been disingenuous about her recovery because she downplayed her chemotherapy and the expensive e-stim therapy she received, which is not covered by insurance, and chose instead to focus her promotion and communication on something she could commercialize - her diet. M.S. patients like myself who do not have six figures to spend on e-stim are generally better off focusing on creating an optimal diet that positively impacts their microbiome while maintaining a normal BMI and exercising at a comfortable level.
      - specialist 6y ago
        Eat more organ meat, more dietary fiber, more veggies. What part of the Wahls protocol diet is suboptimal? Aside from the extra effort and expense. I mean health wise.
  - marta_morena_29 6y ago
    This made me laugh. You read tons of scientific papers? Good for you. As anyone with an auto-immune disease and seriously interested in healing can tell you: AIP, if followed to the letter, works absolute wonders within even just a single god-damn day. But sure, read your papers... I am sure they are funded by people who have a huge interest in the result that you can cure 30% of the general population by merely changing their eating habits, as opposed to prescribing drugs that cost a fortune and going through all the hoops of the expensive medical system. Yeah, sounds really clear to me, these papers have it right. > tend to forbid gluten intake They don't tend to. Any diet who doesn't absolutely forbid gluten intake doesn't work. Simple as that. Gluten is one of the primary factors of developing auto-immune diseases and ergo also treating them. > whole grain Yeah better. Totally :). Because as opposed to white bread, whole grain bread contains all the goodies of mother nature in full force, like all the poison these flowers made against mammals to survive digestion. Bon appetite! > get cancer from all the anti imflammatory stuff. Totally makes sense. Yeah, eat healthy and you get cancer. You really made my day :D. You are just randomly mixing totally unrelated research results into something that is utterly wrong. Good luck on your journey!
    - jpk 6y ago
      I down-voted this comment for its tone. This is a thorough and well-informed rebuttal of the parent comment, but it's buried under an unnecessary layer of sass and sarcasm. I appreciate your passion, but we can do better than this.
      - Fnoord 6y ago
        What is thorough and well-informed about the comment? Genuine question.
        jpk 6y ago
        I was being generous. :) People new to HN need to be introduced to the culture here without being deterred entirely from commenting again in the future. This way, others can engage the new user on the merit of their ideas (right or wrong) rather than on their tone. Generosity notwithstanding, the comment did contain a grain of truth (heh) in that a good strategy for cutting through the contradictory tendency of dietary science is focusing on what works for many people in practice. (At least, that's what I remember; it's flagged now so I can't read it anymore.)
  - toast0 6y ago
    > I’ve read tons of scientific papers and there are too many contradictions. Dietary science is full of contradictions, and sometimes contra-indications. There seems to be a lot of focus on some sort of mythical one size fits all diet for everyone. As if everyone's body systems would react in the same way to any given diet and with an assumption that you can rigidly control the ingredients in your food while still getting food from the grocery store and possibly restaurants. When evaluating diets for conditions, I would suggest trying to figure out: a) is it grossly unhealthy / what signs could I use to see if it is affecting my health negatively? b) does it seem to work for some people? c) is it something I could feel satisfied with for a long time? d) how will I know if it's working or not? / how will I be able to confirm? This is generally a smaller burden of proof than is there scientific consensus that it's a good idea. For many things that might have a connection to food, there isn't consensus on the mechanisms involved, and there may be multiple. It's plausible thst some mechanisms would be affected by diet, and others wouldn't, so some people would see good results by eliminating things, others would see no change, and others may have bad results.
  - jorvi 6y ago
    > I’ve also read that inflamation is useful for preventing cancer, so what good is not having relapses when you get cancer from all the anti imflammatory stuff.. Chronic inflammation is a cause of cancer, not a preventative.
bennyelv 6y ago
The author of the diet herself seems to acknowledge that it’s very much unproven. I very much doubt there’s more to it than “unhealthy overweight people do better if they lose weight and eat more healthily”. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6412750/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6412750/ Personally I’ll stick with treatments that have have had their efficacy well proven through rigorous medical studies rather than ones designed to sell hope on amazon.
- specialist 6y ago
  You're against better nutrition?
specialist 6y ago
FWIW, the Wahls Protocol benefits me. It's certainly not a cure all. And eating proper meals is a lot work. But it helps.

Check out Wahls Protocol.

by 6d6b73 6y ago

Check out Wahls Protocol.

treeman79 6y ago

Looks similar to AIP diet. All anti inflammatory foods

faeyanpiraat 6y ago
I’m not convinced these diets work as advertised.. I’ve read tons of scientific papers and there are too many contradictions. For example these diets tend to forbid gluten intake, but some research imply better outcomes for patients with high whole grain intake. I’ve also read that inflamation is useful for preventing cancer, so what good is not having relapses when you get cancer from all the anti imflammatory stuff..
- taurath 6y ago
  In theory if you’re comparing white bread eaters to whole grain eaters I’d imagine there would be a net benefit. I wonder if whole grain vs no grain has been studied.
- Madmallard 6y ago
  Are you deep in biology like with a minimum BS or higher degree? If not, might just be too difficult to understand the value of the ideas. The lady prescribing the Wahls protocol is an MD so has a lot more invested into the field than the layperson. That said, she could still be wrong. One thing is for sure, there is no one-size-fits-all and there is no magic bullet. If there's something helpful for one condition, it's probably harmful for another. The body is a complex holistic system after all.
  - citboin 6y ago
    Dr.Wahls has been disingenuous about her recovery because she downplayed her chemotherapy and the expensive e-stim therapy she received, which is not covered by insurance, and chose instead to focus her promotion and communication on something she could commercialize - her diet. M.S. patients like myself who do not have six figures to spend on e-stim are generally better off focusing on creating an optimal diet that positively impacts their microbiome while maintaining a normal BMI and exercising at a comfortable level.
    - specialist 6y ago
      Eat more organ meat, more dietary fiber, more veggies. What part of the Wahls protocol diet is suboptimal? Aside from the extra effort and expense. I mean health wise.
- marta_morena_29 6y ago
  This made me laugh. You read tons of scientific papers? Good for you. As anyone with an auto-immune disease and seriously interested in healing can tell you: AIP, if followed to the letter, works absolute wonders within even just a single god-damn day. But sure, read your papers... I am sure they are funded by people who have a huge interest in the result that you can cure 30% of the general population by merely changing their eating habits, as opposed to prescribing drugs that cost a fortune and going through all the hoops of the expensive medical system. Yeah, sounds really clear to me, these papers have it right. > tend to forbid gluten intake They don't tend to. Any diet who doesn't absolutely forbid gluten intake doesn't work. Simple as that. Gluten is one of the primary factors of developing auto-immune diseases and ergo also treating them. > whole grain Yeah better. Totally :). Because as opposed to white bread, whole grain bread contains all the goodies of mother nature in full force, like all the poison these flowers made against mammals to survive digestion. Bon appetite! > get cancer from all the anti imflammatory stuff. Totally makes sense. Yeah, eat healthy and you get cancer. You really made my day :D. You are just randomly mixing totally unrelated research results into something that is utterly wrong. Good luck on your journey!
  - jpk 6y ago
    I down-voted this comment for its tone. This is a thorough and well-informed rebuttal of the parent comment, but it's buried under an unnecessary layer of sass and sarcasm. I appreciate your passion, but we can do better than this.
    - Fnoord 6y ago
      What is thorough and well-informed about the comment? Genuine question.
      - jpk 6y ago
        I was being generous. :) People new to HN need to be introduced to the culture here without being deterred entirely from commenting again in the future. This way, others can engage the new user on the merit of their ideas (right or wrong) rather than on their tone. Generosity notwithstanding, the comment did contain a grain of truth (heh) in that a good strategy for cutting through the contradictory tendency of dietary science is focusing on what works for many people in practice. (At least, that's what I remember; it's flagged now so I can't read it anymore.)
- toast0 6y ago
  > I’ve read tons of scientific papers and there are too many contradictions. Dietary science is full of contradictions, and sometimes contra-indications. There seems to be a lot of focus on some sort of mythical one size fits all diet for everyone. As if everyone's body systems would react in the same way to any given diet and with an assumption that you can rigidly control the ingredients in your food while still getting food from the grocery store and possibly restaurants. When evaluating diets for conditions, I would suggest trying to figure out: a) is it grossly unhealthy / what signs could I use to see if it is affecting my health negatively? b) does it seem to work for some people? c) is it something I could feel satisfied with for a long time? d) how will I know if it's working or not? / how will I be able to confirm? This is generally a smaller burden of proof than is there scientific consensus that it's a good idea. For many things that might have a connection to food, there isn't consensus on the mechanisms involved, and there may be multiple. It's plausible thst some mechanisms would be affected by diet, and others wouldn't, so some people would see good results by eliminating things, others would see no change, and others may have bad results.
- jorvi 6y ago
  > I’ve also read that inflamation is useful for preventing cancer, so what good is not having relapses when you get cancer from all the anti imflammatory stuff.. Chronic inflammation is a cause of cancer, not a preventative.

bennyelv 6y ago

The author of the diet herself seems to acknowledge that it’s very much unproven. I very much doubt there’s more to it than “unhealthy overweight people do better if they lose weight and eat more healthily”. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6412750/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6412750/ Personally I’ll stick with treatments that have have had their efficacy well proven through rigorous medical studies rather than ones designed to sell hope on amazon.

specialist 6y ago
You're against better nutrition?

specialist 6y ago

FWIW, the Wahls Protocol benefits me. It's certainly not a cure all. And eating proper meals is a lot work. But it helps.