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"Here’s the irony. Residents of “blue” states send more tax money to Washington than they get back in federal help, while residents of “red” states send less mo

"Here’s the irony. Residents of “blue” states send more tax money to Washington than they get back in federal help, while residents of “red” states send less money to Washington than they get back in federal help ... blue states are sending welfare to red states – the same red states that say they don’t like welfare." https://www.salon.com/2018/11/16/how-blue-states-help-red-states_partner/ https://www.salon.com/2018/11/16/how-blue-states-help-red-st... To caricature the situation a bit: Red States don't like to pay Federal taxes. They only like to receive tax-dollars from the Federal Government

claydavisss 6y ago
California is now at parity https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/California-no-longer-pays-more-to-Washington-than-15243861.php https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/California-no-l...
- galaxyLogic 6y ago
  Something's going on with California, the Covid-numbers are so high, it must be the laid-back attitude
- nostrademons 6y ago
  Note that "receives as much as it contributes" does not mean "fair share". Because the federal budget deficit has ballooned under the last 3 presidents, the federal government now spends significantly more than it makes. This is reflected in the map in your article: only 8 states contribute more than they receive, and it's usually $0.98/0.99 on the dollar, while the ones that receive can get up to $2+. The balance is made up by government debt, which will eventually be monetized by inflation, which acts as a tax on savers & retirees for the benefit of those who receive direct government payments. Not sure why more people aren't mad about this, but maybe the economic effects are a bit too indirect for people to notice.
TMWNN 6y ago
The state of California or any other state does not pay a cent to another state or to the federal government. It is residents of California that pay federal taxes, which in turn provide funding and services to states and individuals. In any case, there is no massive subsidy from "blue states" to "red states". As claydavisss mentioned, Californians get back about $0.99 for every $1 they pay in federal taxes.(http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-sac-california-federal-government-money-20170205-story.html http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-sac-california-federa...) Each Oregonian gets about $2,000 more from the federal government than he pays in taxes (https://osc.state.ny.us/reports/budget/2015/fed_budget_fy2013.pdf https://osc.state.ny.us/reports/budget/2015/fed_budget_fy201...). Of the ten states with the highest per-capita surpluses (i.e., the ones that are "subsidized" the most by other states), five voted for Trump and five for Clinton.
- galaxyLogic 6y ago
  > Of the ten states with the highest per-capita surpluses (i.e., the ones that are "subsidized" the most by other states), five voted for Trump and five for Clinton. Can you gives us a link to this statistic? Thanks
  - TMWNN 6y ago
    The second URL in my comment.
    - galaxyLogic 6y ago
      Thanks the reason I was asking was that in that document I don't see data about which state voted for Clinton or Trump.
      - TMWNN 6y ago
        (I'm going to respond to your original comment, which I quote below.) "Thanks the reason I was asking was that in that document I don't see data about which state voted for Clinton or Trump. But I can see that of the states which paid the least most seem to be "Red States". No? West Virginia Kentucky New Mexico Arkansas Idaho South Carolina Alabama Utah North Carolina Tennessee Georgia Maine Arizona Indiana Louisiana Ohio Oklahoma Missouri " You are looking at the wrong list. The one on page 6 only shows per capita taxes paid to the federal government by residents of the states. The one on page 9 shows how much per capita the federal government transfers to states and to individual citizens. The one on page 5 combines the two. Of the ten states at the top of the page 5 list—the ones that get the most back (after subtracting taxes paid) from the federal government—five voted for Trump (MS, AL, WV, KY, SC) and five vote for Hillary (NM, VA, ME, HI, MD).

claydavisss 6y ago

California is now at parity https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/California-no-longer-pays-more-to-Washington-than-15243861.php https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/California-no-l...

galaxyLogic 6y ago
Something's going on with California, the Covid-numbers are so high, it must be the laid-back attitude
nostrademons 6y ago
Note that "receives as much as it contributes" does not mean "fair share". Because the federal budget deficit has ballooned under the last 3 presidents, the federal government now spends significantly more than it makes. This is reflected in the map in your article: only 8 states contribute more than they receive, and it's usually $0.98/0.99 on the dollar, while the ones that receive can get up to $2+. The balance is made up by government debt, which will eventually be monetized by inflation, which acts as a tax on savers & retirees for the benefit of those who receive direct government payments. Not sure why more people aren't mad about this, but maybe the economic effects are a bit too indirect for people to notice.

TMWNN 6y ago

The state of California or any other state does not pay a cent to another state or to the federal government. It is residents of California that pay federal taxes, which in turn provide funding and services to states and individuals. In any case, there is no massive subsidy from "blue states" to "red states". As claydavisss mentioned, Californians get back about $0.99 for every $1 they pay in federal taxes.(http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-sac-california-federal-government-money-20170205-story.html http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-sac-california-federa...) Each Oregonian gets about $2,000 more from the federal government than he pays in taxes (https://osc.state.ny.us/reports/budget/2015/fed_budget_fy2013.pdf https://osc.state.ny.us/reports/budget/2015/fed_budget_fy201...). Of the ten states with the highest per-capita surpluses (i.e., the ones that are "subsidized" the most by other states), five voted for Trump and five for Clinton.

galaxyLogic 6y ago
> Of the ten states with the highest per-capita surpluses (i.e., the ones that are "subsidized" the most by other states), five voted for Trump and five for Clinton. Can you gives us a link to this statistic? Thanks
- TMWNN 6y ago
  The second URL in my comment.
  - galaxyLogic 6y ago
    Thanks the reason I was asking was that in that document I don't see data about which state voted for Clinton or Trump.
    - TMWNN 6y ago
      (I'm going to respond to your original comment, which I quote below.) "Thanks the reason I was asking was that in that document I don't see data about which state voted for Clinton or Trump. But I can see that of the states which paid the least most seem to be "Red States". No? West Virginia Kentucky New Mexico Arkansas Idaho South Carolina Alabama Utah North Carolina Tennessee Georgia Maine Arizona Indiana Louisiana Ohio Oklahoma Missouri " You are looking at the wrong list. The one on page 6 only shows per capita taxes paid to the federal government by residents of the states. The one on page 9 shows how much per capita the federal government transfers to states and to individual citizens. The one on page 5 combines the two. Of the ten states at the top of the page 5 list—the ones that get the most back (after subtracting taxes paid) from the federal government—five voted for Trump (MS, AL, WV, KY, SC) and five vote for Hillary (NM, VA, ME, HI, MD).