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I really have to push back against your point that Tesla “vigorously communicates” that driver attention must be maintained at all times, when in fact, they rea
by kbos87 6y ago
I really have to push back against your point that Tesla “vigorously communicates” that driver attention must be maintained at all times, when in fact, they really seem like they want to occupy a gray space in-between:
- They advertise and sell full autonomy under the name “autopilot”, which carries all sorts of connotations
- Correct me if I’m wrong, but they don’t actually prevent a driver from falling asleep behind the wheel, even if they vibrate the steering wheel. New Subarus have driver eye tracking built in - it would be trivial for Tesla to make sure the driver is paying attention, but they don’t really want to.
It might say it somewhere in the manual to cover them legally, but all signs point to them wanting the market to think their cars drive themselves.
- toomuchtodo 6y agoYou're pushing back against the wrong part of my comment. You don't believe Tesla is meeting some sort of bar (re: your reference to Subaru), but regulators have approved of Tesla's continued approach regarding driver awareness (periodic steering wheel torque dead man switch versus requiring eye tracking). So what evidence are you using that your approach should be required and would be superior? Drowsy and intoxicated people still drive every day, killing innocent people, without driver assist systems (roughly 100k accidents a year are from drowsy driving, and about 10k people a year are killed due to drunk drivers). You cannot mitigate away personal responsibility failures with technology bandaids. At some point, the buck must stop with the operator. (On my large shop equipment I let others use in my workshop, there are large stickers that very loudly proclaim "Not only will this kill you, it will hurt the whole time you are dying").
- kbos87 6y agoI don’t think regulators are actually doing their jobs here. If Teslas actually a successful dead man switch, we wouldn’t see story after story like this - https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/17/canada-tesla-driver-alberta-highway-speeding https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/17/canada-tesla-d... I don’t need to put forth a solution to point out that Tesla is trying to have its cake and eat it too. They say one thing to regulators and another to consumers and they are being allowed to do it. I don’t disagree with you about personal responsibility, but Tesla also has responsibility for what they market and the downstream effects.
- toomuchtodo 6y agoWe will agree to disagree, but I still appreciate the conversation. I encourage you to write a letter to the regulator of your jurisdiction if you feel your concerns aren't being addressed. I have done the same with US regulators (NHTSA) in support of Tesla's driver assist systems.
- jsight 6y agoI've driven a car with lane keep that worked like this: 1. If the lane keep is on and there is no torque warn the driver. If the driver doesn't respond, get really aggressive, pulse the brakes and eventually stop in the middle of the road. 2. If lane keep turns off for any reason (for example, momentarily too light lines) all driver monitoring immediately ceases. Noone writes articles about this system that is not Tesla, but I find it impossible to believe that it is a safer system than Tesla's.
- abracadaniel 6y agoYou have to maintain a torque pressure on the steering wheel. Otherwise it will alert and ultimately bring the car to a stop with the hazard lights on and disable autopilot for the duration of the trip. The system notifies you that you must keep your hands on the wheel and keep your attention on the road every time you activate it. It's communicated constantly through text, flashing color changes on the screen, and audio signals.